Are you tired of "Winning" yet?

... that was addressed and discredited a day ago...

The part where you repeated it w/o considering for a moment that the statement might be wrong.
Why did you do that?

 

We currently have the lowest or at least certainly amongst the lowest number of deaths per 100,000 thousand residents of any major country that has a lot of international travel. With that being an undeniable reality. By that objective outcome, I conclude that so far he has done a good job.

By what objective outcome are you concluding that he has done a poor job?...my guess is that you will say testing kits.

My response is that a lower number of deaths Trumps a low number of test kits (even if we blame that on Trump) by many orders of magnitude. At this exact juncture, the Republican argument would be that shutting down travel from China early on is what has provided that lower death number and that it has biught us critical days/weeks in which to react to this spreading pandemic which is ultimately saving countless lives. The Trump campaign will run on a loop video of Biden criticizing that move and calling it xenophobic. The Democrat response at this juncture would be that Trump is ultimately responsible for the slow uptake of testing kits, but while our number of deaths is significantly better than the rest of the civilized world, that argument will ring hollow. In order for your argument to win it will require our number of deaths to be among the higher end of the civilized world. In that sense, you can hope that happens, but at this juncture, your argument rings hollow. Hope springs eternal I suppose considering just how badly you all want Trump out of office.

If this thing does not overrun our healthcare system, Trump is going to be able to claim credit. Because of his quick and unprecedented action of rapidly halting travel from China (during impeachment btw), he will also be able to validate that boast.

 

Everybody knows the lefties have no respect for anything that comes from sources they criticize, regardless of it's accuracy.
That means your opinion of it was written before the story was, and has no cred.

 

He wanted it to be true, and therefore never once considered that it might not be.

 

Once again, the OP question is not being answered, which has to do with what would Trump have to do to make you reconsider reelecting him.

And if you would have read the previous posts, you would have seen that I conceded the kit issue, but his "performance" since the start of the epidemic has contributed to the lack of seriousness and confusion of the information.

Just look around here to see how many folks actually believe that the symptoms are no worse than the common cold. If that isn't a gross example of poor leadership, then I don't know what to say.

 

Of course not - your question is statement of opinion, assumes facts not in evidence, and asks the audience to disprove same.
Why -would- anyone answer it?

 

yes, at this point he is taking seriously, the drop in the stock price got Trump's attention

I just find it sad and hard to listen to his task force as Trump makes every praise him daily to massage his ego, it just gets old and is pathetic really

 

I chose to respond to your claim that he has handled this situation horribly, and I raised some very salient points. If you do not choose to challenge my points which seems to be the situation, I can only assume that we are in agreement, and up to this point at least, his results have been outstanding. If you change your mind and want to challenge my actual points, I will be more than happy to have that conversation.

I do not believe that a person responding to your OP is required to answer every part of that OP, hence I chose to respond to the aspect to which I wanted to respond. If you insist, I will respond to what it will take for me to elect him, although I personally think it is a silly question because most of us in a political chat room are pretty dyed in the wool partisans....

Let me answer for you.....people that are Trump supporters (myself included) are going to vote for him again, and anti Trump people are going to vote against him. There is almost nothing (within reason) that he is going to do that is going to have a Trump supporter vote against him, and there is almost nothing that he is going to do that is going to make an anti Trumper vote for him. I am surprised that reality is not blatantly obvious to you and this undeniably reality is why I initially chose to ignore that question. Whom it does matter to are people that are more fence sitters which very few of which frequent a political chat room. They are the ones who ultimately decide elections. Not dyed in the wool partisans, because their vote is already baked in the cake.

Fence sitters are going to make their determination (relative to Covid 19) probably based on two things...

1. How our country comes out of this pandemic in comparison to the rest of the world.
2. Whom they decide will be best to take us out of the inevitable recession that is going to follow this pandemic and subsequent economic crash.

My guess is that the answer to the above two for the majority of those fence sitters is going to favor Trump. Undoubtedly, you are going to think that it will favor Biden. I fail to see why you see this topic as interesting because the responses are going to be 100% predictable depending upon whether the responder is a Trump supporter or detractor.

 

And the very seriousness of the situation underscores how dangerous this need to appease Trump is to grappling with this issue. But of course, Trump loyalists are too deep in their devotion to see it.

 

Nothing has changed in my eyes. I support Trump to get the courts back on the Constitutional path. This virus will pass but every non-liberal activist judge put on the bench will remain for a decade or more. They will be critical in mitigating the damage of this overblown response...

 

God Bless Trump. May he reign forever. And ever. Amen.

 

Cognitive dissonance runs strong amongst humans, especially when hero worship is part of the equation.

 

I appreciate your thoughtful response.

I agree with your two eventual choices. But I disagree that fence sitters are going to choose Trump. I see no indication of that, at least not in any measurable way, but there is talk among the not-so-devout Trump voters that seem to indicate a new level of scrutiny over Trump's handling of this crisis. Those voters may not participate on this forum, but I do not know. That is why I posted this thread.

 

On number 2, we will have to agree to disagree, and I suppose only time will tell.

On number 1, I believe that the death toll per million relative to the rest of the world is going to provide the objective answer. I personally believe that on that measure we will more than likely perform on the higher end. I see zero reason to believe otherwise.

 

Like you said, only time will tell.

Let's see what this crisis looks like in the next 8 weeks.

 

Says the guy who recommends security arrangements while completely ignorant of a person's needs, and repeats claims w/o verifying them because he hopes they are true.

 

One actually, the Cons have passed one - Little Eddie Munster's tax code revision. Two years they held the House, the Senate and the Presidency and they passed only one significant piece of legislation.

 

On Feb. 10, Trump said “a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.” Four days later, he again said: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...president-trumps-coronavirus-news-conference/

And you are unaware he said the virus was the new D hoax?
And now he's mad at his son in law, Jared, for telling him that.

“The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,” he said from a campaign rally in North Charleston, South Carolina. “This is their new hoax.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-says-the-coronavirus-is-the-democrats-new-hoax.html

In other words, he did not take the threat seriously. For many weeks.

 

No one is blaming Trump for bringing us the virus. But he and his administration are responsible for the response.

In case you haven't noticed we still don't have a coherent plan. The reason we don't is because of Trump's aversion to taking responsibility. As a result the countries governors are designing a patchwork of different plans.
What we are missing right this moment is:
LEADERSHIP!

 

Let's start with your hoax claim. The quote you are using says “The Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus,”.
That is of course, true. I've seen numerous examples. One on "Real Clear Pollitics" says:
CNN's Stelter: Trump To Blame For Coronavirus Problems, "It's On Him"
His comment did not say the virus was a hoax, but that the claims like the one above were- and there is no question of that being factual.

"Trump said “a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in."
Are you aware that (A) the corona virus is a variant of influenza virus? We get a new strain every year, but usually with enough time to prepare flu shots. You have heard of flu shots?
Are you aware that influenza IS typically a cold-weather virus, that does indeed decline rapidly in summer heat?
Not only do many people know and believe that, but it's supported by things like this comment from Harvard:
"Dec 1, 2014 - The Flu Season The season generally reaches its peak in February and ends in March".

We are so used to the left hunting for reasons to blame Trump and grasping at anything, that it's downright boring as well as insulting.

 

You might have better luck selling such hogwash to hog farmers. I don't think anyone here is buying it.

 

The D's so politicized it, so much of a hoax, that tRUMP declared a state of emergency.
So don't feed the BS.

You might have better success at selling hogwash to hog farmers.

 

If you were trying to make a point, trying to keep some kind of cred there- you missed.

We are going to see a major impact on our economy out of this; it may make the mortgage recession look mild.
Last thing the country needs is the army of whiners and blamers thinking that making life miserable for everybody else is their duty.
You guys never ask what you can do to help or improve things, even when the need is obvious. No wonder the dems are already politically dead in the water.

 

The point, you missed again, tRUMP thought the D's were politicizing the virus as another hoax.
Wasn't taking it seriously.

So go find that hog farmer.

 

As Harvard Medical School’s Maia Majumder tweeted Saturday, the coronavirus crisis is inherently political because “an administration’s priorities can absolutely impact the trajectory of a pandemic.” It’s political because every government is — and should be — measured by its ability to protect its citizens to the best of its ability from the ancient threats of disease, violence and starvation. ​

Me before We is Trump's MO.

Something to consider.