Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

Refusal to comply = Forced compliance. Always will be, Always has been.
Being an Army Officer, he knows better than to refuse to comply.
Act like and idiot, get treated like the idiot you are. How difficult would it have been for him to just exit the vehicle as ordered to resolve this?
How many hundreds of thousands of videos are out there dealing with the very same thing.

 

and now, through their shitty judgement, they are going to drag their entire department through a legal battle, and get them all accused of racism, probably get extra racial sensitivity training, and generally make all of their fellow police officers lives way more difficult, all because they couldn’t be bothered to use a little bit of good judgement and common sense.

just because they have the right to act like morons doesn’t mean it is a great idea.

 

A man who committed no crime is stopped, threatened with firearms, assaulted, and you see no problem? Do you believe in the US Constitution?

 

Both the military man and the cops seem to share in the blame here.

(1) Comply
(2) Cops are real good at escalating, but terrible at de-escalating

All parties suck here.

 

Already posted:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-detainment-of-lt-caron-nazario.586886/

 

Lets start over, shall we.
A man who committed no crime is stopped,
You have no clue if a crime was committed or not and nothing on that video indicates anything you have provided.
with firearms
Which would enforce the idea that something other than a traffic citation is at play.
assaulted
So you just decided to leave out the part where he decided to not comply with the officers request for 5 minutes refusing to exit the vehicle.

If you are dumb enough to not comply, then you get an idiots fate. Simply exiting the car as requested UP FRONT would have deescalated everything.

Hint: You don't get to sit on your ass in the car for as long as you want when told to exit the vehicle.

 

It's not something that you are afraid of because your chances of being beaten, pepper sprayed, arrested and generally treated like crap is far below what people of other ethnicities go through with LEOs no matter how they respond.

I've heard some people complain about the term "white privilege" but the reality is white people don't live in the same world that non-white people live in (and naturally take for granted because it happens automatically).

It's basically the same idea behind sexism. Men don't leave their homes plotting how to make it back safely. Men don't worry about being cornered by a group of men. Men usually don't deal with cat calls from strangers or get touched in the workplace. It's natural that a man would never think about those things. It's something women have to think about all the time. So, it follows that it's unfair for someone to say something is not real solely because it's not their experience.

Look around this forum. There are several posters that claim that COVID and COVID deaths aren't real because they, personally, don't know anybody that's had it or died from it. This is why it's important for us to stay mindful of the fact that everyone has a right to speak their truth and we shouldn't invalidate that or blame the victim simply because it's easier.

 

Is there a problem with beginning by saying "Sir - I stopped you because [add reason]"?

 

Like I said, you have no idea why this guy got pulled over. If he refused to get out of the car under gun point, what makes you think he would give up his license or registration upon request.
Fortunately, that video speaks for itself so there won't be any department drug through some legal battle. As for the idiot refusing to comply, he is going to have HUGE problems back on base.

And for the people that would classify those cops as racist, they are the same idiots who would refuse to comply as well so no big loss there.

All in all its nothing but yet another video of forced compliance by those too stupid to figure out how to comply.

 

You have no idea why he was stopped so stop acting like you have some inside information. This wasn't a traffic stop. Cops don't take out their guns over moving violations.
If you can't understand how non compliance winds up being forced compliance, then you should try it sometime.

 

He was pulled over for no reason and asked to exit the car because he was black.

Maybe he was nervous having recalled this incident.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mesa-p...er-seen-crawling-begging-in-disturbing-video/

 

He was not charged with a crime.

What I understand is that sovereign immunity laws need to be reconsidered.

 

Guess if this guy was pulled over without explanation, ordered out at gun point and subjected to a cavity search he'd be fine and dandy with it....yeah, right. I respect law enforcement, I have family members who worked in law enforcement, but uncalled for bullshit is uncalled for bullshit, PERIOD! I don't know what scares me more, that there's cops out there that will do this or there's people out there who'll contort like pretzels to defend it.

 

My first clue would be, he wasn't pulled over with guns drawn over a moving violation. As a prior Army Officer myself, I know what my company CO would say to me if he saw that video.
WTF WERE YOU THINKING? You were asked 40 times to get out of the vehicle but you decided to sit there like you were hiding something. Tell me why you thought you were so special that you could refuse to comply with police commands while weapons are drawn? Tell me, what magical words were you going to say that might cause them to holster their weapons, give you an apology, then provide a police escort to their house so you could F their sisters? TELL ME THESE MAGIC WORDS DUMBASS.

Thats what my CO would have told me had he seen the video.

I would tend to agree. The video doesn't provide information as to the nature of the stop but walking up with guns drawn while on camera would lead me to believe they were not pulling him over for a moving violation.

Thats because you sir have common sense, pride, and respect. You wouldn't refuse to comply under the same conditions. You might be the wrong guy they are looking for or just mistaken identity but at the end of the day, you would have simply exited the vehicle as ordered and allowed them to verify the situation. It would have ended up with massive apologies, hand shakes, and we appreciate your service.

I was stationed at Ft Rucker Alabama in 1979 for flight school. I lived in an apartment in Ozark. The guy in the apartment above me was in my flight class. He was black married to a white girl, both from NJ, living in Ozark. As you could imagine a very bad combination at the time. My wife and his wife would grocery shop together off post as he wouldn't go into town with her. Super great guy and one of the best pilots in our class. You know whats really sad. I can't think of his name.

But I do remember this, Nothing was going to stop that man from getting his aviator wings. Not even having a white chick from NJ living in Ozark Alabama. lol

 

And what does any of that have to do with refusing to comply?

 

You have no idea why he was pulled over. Lying about it isn't going to make it all better for you.

 

He did create his own problems. Not by himself though. His parents are the main contributor. Being black.

As he stated, he as afraid of being killed if he move his hands.

 

The very 1st thing a good officer will do when pulling someone over is approach the car and ask,
Do you know why I pulled you over.
And the driver responds with yes, because ... Or no, I do not. And then the officer explains the reason.

These officers did not state why he was pulled over. Escalating the situation before it hardly got started.

 

Oh, so thats the new order of the day. If you're born black you can refuse to comply and if forced compliance is used you get a bunch of money because you are black?

Is that what they call black privilege?

 

Because it was a felony stop. He attempted to elude. It was on the radio prior to the stop.
Why is it his non compliance doesn't count? Had he simply exited the vehicle and complied, there wouldn't be any need for forced compliance, would there.

 

If the military dude had reached for his seatbelt there’s a better than even chance the one cop would have emptied a mag into the car. I would not have lowered my hands for any reason in that situation and I’m a ginger—as white as they come.

 

The stop was initiated because his vehicle had no plates, and a dark tint. When the officer initiated the stop by activating his lights, the driver slowed down and drove to a safe place (approximately 1 minute between initially being lit up, and him stopping at a well lit fuel island)... according to the police report.

None of this justifies threat of deadly force by the officers, nor does any action he took justify any use of force, at all. He was calm and respectful throughout, despite the elevated threat he faced.

While police can absolutely point a gun at you and bark orders (and you would be wise to comply no matter what), they cannot LAWFULLY do so unless they have RAS that you have committed a CRIME and that you are posing an immediate threat to yourself, the officers, or the public. None of those things were the case. Traffic infractions are not crimes that can justify threat of deadly force. Reducing speed and stopping at the first safe place when you are being pulled over is not an unreasonable thing to do.

He will win his lawsuit, and the taxpayers will pay a hefty settlement. The tyrannical officers involved will suffer no penalty, and as a result will very likely forcibly violate the rights of another citizen tomorrow, high-fiving each other afterwards...again.

 

He was released with no charges. There was no felony attempt to elude... according to the police report. Had there been a felony, he would have been charged with a felony.