Automakers rise on report of China moving to cut U.S. car tariffs

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  1. Mac-7

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    In you case even when the language is clear it still makes no sense
     
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    Cheap American labor and shipping.
     
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    We were not at war with japan in the 50’s but Engine Charlie Wilson still cared about America
     
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    I can understand why you would say that. :)
     
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    And "The rest of the world will never buy our cars on great quanities unless we gut wages and government regulations here"??? Seriously, you have no damn idea what you're talking about.

    All Jeep Grand Cherokees sold around the world, are built in Detroit. They're sold in Canada, Mexico, all of Western Europe, all of the Middle East, Australia and New Zealand, Central and South America. Every one of them coming from Detroit. All Jeep Cherokees, same damn thing.

    All Ford F-150 pickup trucks, sold around the world. Sold in the Middle East, Mexico, Central and South America, Canada, and Australia and New Zealand, all come from either Dearborn Assembly Plant, or Kansas City. All Ford Explorers, including the Ford police interceptor utility, sold all over North and South America, including Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean, plus all sold in the Middle East, and Australia and New Zealand, every last one of them built in Chicago.

    You have zero knowledge of how the Auto industry works and your opinion doesn't mean ****.
     
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    But Len. It's hard!
     
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    Hooray for Jeep

    But dont assume that just because Chrysler has not yet joined GM by defecting to china that they never will
     
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    He became the Sec of Def. We always have one of those, if you haven't noticed.
     
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    He was making more money at GM

    A modern globalist would only care about his bottom line
     
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    The profits support the German workers stock dividends and I guarantee each and every German BMW employee is a shareholder. And while the chassis and body sheet metal, glass, seats and suspension amd steering components are sourced frim American and Canadian suppliers, 4 wheel drive units, engines and transmissions come from BMW plants in Germany and England (and Brexit is going to eff that up). As of a month, Automotive News reported that American production of engines and transmissions is under consideration. And it won't be every engine, either. They'll start production of the most popular gas engine,here, and export them while,increasing European production of other size gas engines, and all diesel engines.
     
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    That would depend on their motivation to serve in the government. Often times they do it to benefit from it.
     
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    Americans working at BMW's plant in Spartanburg. South Carolina, make as much or more than UAW members at Ford and GM.
     
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    Thats very smart and pretty much what toyota does also

    Can GM say the same about the rice burners it builds and sells in china?

    I doubt if they are that smart
     
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    Ha!

    You will say anything to avoid giving an American patriot his due
     
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    Actually three Detroit car makers Supply overseas plants with engines or transmissions made in the US, as well as get engines and transmissions made outside of the US and Canada over to here for North American vehicle production. It's an old practice. Not only that, they Supply foreign car makers with certain engines and Transmissions, that are made here. For instance, the 3.0 liter turbocharged V6 diesel found in jaguar and Land Rover vehicles comes out of a Ford engine plant in Ohio.
     
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    Really? Didn't know that.
     
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    Same with the Mercedes plant in Alabama. On the other hand, the Toyota, Honda & Nissan plants pay their "associates" just a few dollars less per hour than the Detroit Three, but a third to half of their hourly workers are "perma-temps" - long term employed contract workers, working at Toyota, Honda & Nissan, but working for an employment agency, at half the pay, no profit sharing, fewer benefits, little to no paid time off and zero job security. It's one way they really hold down their labor cost and make it hard to unionize - perma-temps can not vote with regular associates on a union authorization drive. And "associates" at Hyundai and Kia make about two-thirds what GM-Ford-Fiat Chrysler-Toyota-Honda-Nissan pay.
     
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    No. I just have no idea who he was, what motivated him, or if he was a patriot. Dick Cheney "served" the government too, and he was corrupt to the bone, and look at the people in Trump admin. The prisons are filling up with them.
     
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    I see what they are doing now.
    DETROIT (Reuters) -- Workers at Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz plant in Vance, Ala., have the highest hourly pay and benefits among employees at U.S. car factories while Volkswagen and BMW workers earn the least, a study shows.

    Daimler workers earn an average of $65 an hour while employees at Volkswagen's Chattanooga plant are paid an average of $38 per hour and workers at BMW's Spartanburg, S.C., factory earn $39 an hour, a study of 2014 labor costs by the Center for Automotive Research shows.

    Labor costs at General Motors' U.S. plants including benefits are $58 per hour. Ford Motor Co. is right behind GM at $57 per hour while employees at Fiat Chrysler Automobiles earn $48 per hour, reflecting the much higher percentage of lower-paid, entry-level workers at FCA.

    The study was released as UAW officials prepare for contract talks with the Detroit 3. GM, Ford and FCA are the only automakers in the CAR report whose U.S. workers are represented by the UAW.

    Among other automakers operating in the U.S., Honda workers earned on average $49 per hour, Toyota $48, Nissan $42, Hyundai and its corporate stablemate Kia $41.

    Despite major restructuring since the 2009 recession, GM and Ford still have higher labor costs than their major competitors. The $10 per hour labor cost gap between GM and Toyota translates into roughly $250 a car in additional labor costs for GM, according to data in the report.

    Per-hour labor cost averages include pay for temporary workers who are formally employed by outside agencies such as Kelly Services but mainly work full-time alongside workers employed directly by the automakers. Japanese automakers have the highest percentages of temporary workers. Having a high number of temporary workers reduces labor costs, CAR analysts have said.

    Maybe we can put a tariff on South Carolina. :)
     
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    LMAO
     
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    A lot of people assume non-GM-Ford-Chrysler plants are far lower cost to run, but it's simply not true. And whether you do a job at Ford or BMW or Toyota, auto factory work is still physical hard. That's one reason, for decades, the UAW sought to equalize the wages between employees at the Detroit Three. Problem is that it costs the same to design and engineer a car for Chrysler as it does for GM, but greater sales volume means you recover those costs sooner.
     
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    Chaney was a government service lifer

    As are most of the people 8n washington

    Engine Charlie Wilson spent his life in thr private sector

    Like trump he didnt come to washington to advance his career but rather to serve his country
     
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    Wilson was the secretary of defense, so obviously he did not spend his entire life in private sector. In the other hand, if spending your life in private sector makes you patriot, then we have more patriots than we thought.

    Donald Trump serves Donald Trump. That much is obvious. You ever wonder why he can't stop talking about himself?
     
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    Well duh!

    Thats just what I have been telling you

    Wilson was always a patriot but not a government worker till his country needed him for a special job in washington

    I feel there are many American CEOs today who are not patriots and care noththing about the country thetpy grew up in
     
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