Ben Carson just referred to slaves as 'immigrants'

Carson isn't known for making dumb comments. In fact, none of you cared about Carson until that (R) appeared beside his name. This thread is proof of that.

 

WOW! You're good. You're in GA? I'm in ATL. I need you for PICC

 

OMG. You actually typed that with a straight face?

 

You've already been owned on the Pyramid conspiracy. Do you really want to continue this?

 

Lincoln was no John Brown, but Lincoln's attitude toward blacks changed with experience and contact during the course of the war.

 

WTH?

How have I "been owned on the Pyramid conspiracy?"

This should be good.

 

And 22 predominately white counties, but you conveniently leave those out because it ruins your argument. You also overlook the reason these places were closed. I'm going to quote it for you since you don't want to read my link, then I'm going to show you how all 9 counties above voted in 2016 and you tell me how much these closings effected the voting.

Macon County - 83% for Clinton.
Greene County - 83% for Clinton.
Sumter County - 74% for Clinton.
Lowndes County - 73% for Clinton.
Wilcox County - 71% for Clinton.
Bullock County - 75% for Clinton.
Dallas County - 68% for Clinton.
Perry County - 72% for Clinton.
Hale County - 59% for Clinton.

Nothing changed in these counties since 1996, other than less Republicans voting in the 2008 and 2012 elections.

 

He was no John Brown, agreed, but he was early on an opponent of slavery, and abhorred the institution.

"Lincoln, the leader most associated with the end of slavery in the United States, came to national prominence in the 1850s, following the advent of the Republican Party, which opposed the expansion of slavery. Earlier, as a member of the Whig Party in the Illinois General Assembly, Lincoln issued a written protest of the assembly's passage of a resolution stating that slavery could not be abolished in Washington, D.C.

In 1841, he won a court case (Bailey v. Cromwell), representing a black woman and her children who claimed she had already been freed and could not be sold as a slave.[12] In 1845, he successfully defended Marvin Pond (People v. Pond) for harboring the fugitive slave John Hauley. In 1847, he lost a case (Matson v. Rutherford) representing a slave owner (Robert Matson) claiming return of fugitive slaves.

While a congressman from Illinois in 1846 to 1848, Lincoln supported the Wilmot Proviso, which, if it had been adopted, would have banned slavery in any U.S. territory won from Mexico. Lincoln, in collaboration with abolitionist Congressman Joshua R. Giddings, wrote a bill to abolish slavery in the District of Columbia with compensation for the owners, enforcement to capture fugitive slaves, and a popular vote on the matter.

Lincoln had left politics until he was drawn back into it by the Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854, which allowed territories to decide for themselves whether they would allow slavery. Lincoln was morally opposed to slavery and politically opposed to any expansion of it. At issue was extension into the western territories.[1] On October 16, 1854, in his "Peoria Speech", Lincoln declared his opposition to slavery, which he repeated in his route to presidency.[16] Speaking in his Kentucky accent, with a very powerful voice,[17] he said the Kansas Act had a "declared indifference, but as I must think, a covert real zeal for the spread of slavery. I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world..."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

 

I don't care. 22 of the 31 that lost their office were predominately white.

 

To beaten and battered women that didn't have a cell phone, yes.

 

Tyvm for a reminder of how active Lincoln was in the abolitionist movement. Lincoln's personal appraisal of blacks in America changed over time as did Frederick Douglass's appraisal of Lincoln. Human beings like Lincoln and Douglass are learners - they change their opinions as they learn.

 

Keep in mind that Carson is so dumb that he insanely believes that the Bible is correct - i.e. he actually believes the earth is only about 6000 years old like the geneologies in the Bible add up to. I assume that he also insanely believes in magic invisible people flying around with wings on ("fairies", or "angels", etc.) The Bible has caused this surgeon to not be in touch with reality. Clearly religion is dangerous, as we see with this presidential contender and cabinet member (Dr. Carson.)

 

You're welcome. Agree with your commentary.

Lincoln was a strong Constitutionalist, and he knew, without an Amendment, slavery was not going to be abolished, so he had to moderate his views accordingly.

This 1855 letter Lincoln wrote to Joshua Speed, a personal friend and slave owner in Kentucky, speaks to this (written one year after the GOP was founded, with the express purpose to stop the expansion of slavery) :

"You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it...

I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves.

I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis.

You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border.

It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable.

You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the Constitution and the Union. …

How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid.

As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics."

When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy. "

Full circle to Russia!

 

Carson should have called them "those poor creatures!"

 

Don't you think it's time to add a little more to your signature? Trump to win primaries and Trump to win presidential election?

 

Voluntary colonization or shipped off to Liberia... They could stay and colonize with the Native Americans in the west or go and live in tribes where they were free but not very much better off. Which would you choose?

 

The freed slaves who chose to go to Liberia immediately enslaved the natives. That's all the poor dears knew.

 

We could use his metric of those "creatures" who endured 100 years of Jim Crow after slavery was abolished --

that they suffered less than those enrolled in the Affordable Care Act.

Cause yeah, he said that.

 

As opposed to what, colonizing them or shipping them off like you just ****ing said? He sure as hell wasn't gonna keep them in the eastern half of America.

 

Not that you know of. They aren't catered with it by their party.

 

Both: Voluntary.

 

Or we could use Obama's and call them immigrants, since they were a mass migration from Africa who immigrated to the US and Brazil and the Caribbean and Cuba and Portugal and England and gosh lots of places.

 

Yeah he's a shithouse rat. Right up their alley. Clinton should have catered to more than just minorities.

 

I'm in Louisiana... What is PICC?

 

Yeah, and any democrat could repeat what he's said, or they could have said it in the past, and you'll overlook them every time because they're democrats.