Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

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  1. Mamasaid

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    Not once has a siingle peer reviewed paper been cited that agrees with your lies about the sscience

    Not once. No, your misrepresentations and lies about scientific articles do not count.
     
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    Again....and please pay attention this time....the only indignation is expressed at the hilariously dumb idea that you think you are presenting an actual challege To scientific knowledge. You are not. None of you are. You are shouting lies into aj echo chamber, then prancing and dancing like you have done something.
     
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    That god can publish sons for the sins of the father.
     
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    Okay. Your point?
     
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    so either you are unsure what a peer reviewed paper is, or more likely you did not read my op.
     
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    The OP himself INTRODUCED RELIGION into the Science forum or do you need someone to EXPLAIN the terms in the thread heading for you?

     
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    Now you are being generous since even middle schools seems to be a stretch!
     
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    Ironic coming from someone who indignantly ran away in outrage because the "sacred tenets of your faith" were justifiably questioned given your inability to defend your own load of theist claptrap that you were pretending was "sigh-ants"!
     
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    Presupposes both a willingness and ability to learn for which there is an acute dearth of empirical evidence that those attributes exist.
     
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    So let's just look at the contradictions and errors in the KJV instead.

    Here is a tiny sample of just 12 of them;

    https://www.baptistdeception.com/12-contradictions-found-in-the-kjv/

    And for a much more indepth dive into the contradictions and errors in the KJV we even have theists who are exposing them;

    The KJV is as riddled with errors and contradictions as is every other version of the bible.
     
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    I'm taking the first one on for now. I'll deal with the rest later. So with these verses,

    1. Mark 15:25 says “And it was thethird hour, and they crucified him.” – John 19:14-16 says “…about thesixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified.”

    The answer is pretty simple, one book uses Roman time, while the other IIRC uses Hebrew time. If someone said that you crossed the street and 1:00 PM while another person said you crossed the street at 1300 hours, who is right? How can two people be 1,299 hours different from each other?
     
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    Hebrew time would have been noon.. Roman time would have been 6 PM.. Was it getting dark? Jesus body had to be off the cross by the start of Passover I think.
     
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    Roman time and Hebrew time were off by 6 hours.

    http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/charts/jewishtimedivision.htm

    There is no way to make those two accounts come to the same time.

    If they are both Hebrew times then they are 9 am and 12 noon and if they are both Roman times they are 3 am/pm and 6 am/pm.

    Since neither of those time sets coincide the allegation that you just made fails to resolve it so that contradiction still stands unanswered.
     
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    Typical lies and false accuations from you. I remember now why i avoid any discussion with you.

    I do not post religious arguments in the science forum, or the philosophical ones, for that matter.

    Leftist lies and phony narratives disrupt any rational debate.. too bad, but is part of Progresso World.
     
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    This is in response to both you and Margot. I think this article explains better than I did.

    http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=584
     
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    :roflol:

    Got to love the irony of theists violating their own deities commandment not to spew falsehoods!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-central-flaw-of-evolution.442211/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/fake-science.494056/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/fallacies-of-evolution.490664/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/origins-the-evidence.512854/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-rise-of-anti-science.349804/
     
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    :roflol:

    The Roman governor was going to get up in the early hours of the morning just to interrogate a Jewish prisoner so that they could get an early start on his crucifixion?

    Seriously?

    That only works for those gullible enough to believe the bible in the first place. By all credible accounts Pilate was not the kind of person who would have taken kindly to having his sleep disturbed and would probably have ordered the slaughter of the Sanhedrin that brought Jesus to see him instead.
     
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    I will refute your false accusation..

    Here is the first thread you listed. Please point out the religious arguments, or retract your false accusation. The lying is from you, and is the main reason i have tired of these 'debates'. Your tactics of disruption personal attacks, and deflection have been somewhat successful with me, as i am not inclined to debate scientific or philosophical matters, with hecklers and disrupters flooding the thread.

     
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    Only fundamentalist theist zealots have a problem with the established science of evolution and attempt to fallaciously pick holes in it thereby exposing their own failure to comprehend science and how it works.

    You openly admitted in that thread that "I believe in God" in post #25. You then went on to accuse others of having "faith" in science #28 which is yet another fundamentalist zealot attempt to denigrate science.

    Furthermore you brought up the theist "missing links" fallacy while accusing others of "belief" in religion in post #37.

    There are plenty of other examples to be found where you use fundamentalist zealotry in your attempt to disparage science.

    All of the above are clear and distinct evidence of your theist agenda against science.

    As far as accusations of lying goes please refrain from projecting your own shortcomings onto others.
     
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    All lies and distortions.. don't expect any more replies from me..

    Good job disrupting threads with ad hom and phony narratives. Posters like you make forums very tiring..
     
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    I saw your blatant misrepresentations of a few studies. First of all, the entire body of scientific work is considered when gaining knowledge; your misrepresentation of a study here and there is no actual challenge to scientific knowledge. For instance, the fact that old surfaces can exist on continents is not evidence that "all of the continents should have eroded away by now". That is a lie grifted straight from creation.com, and your OP is plagiarization straight from that propaganda website.
     
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    You really should brush up on English words.
    Scientists know what words to use and how to spell them.
     
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    No one has brought up dating methods and their accuracies.
    But it is pretty easy for scientists to measure 1/2 lives of things.
     
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    Errors means the book is fallible.
    And not the inspired word of a god. And should not be used but as a reference to anything about earth's evolution.
    It is a snapshot of a certain group of people at a certain time in history.
     
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    Could you show an example where i misrepresented a study? and support it? I agree with you that
    the fact that old surfaces [dating done by evolutionist] do exist on continents is not evidence that "all of the continents should have eroded away by now." But that is not what my op argues. So i am not surprised you think i have misrepresented a study. If you need clarification on anything in my op just ask.
     

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