Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

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  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    We're not talking about whether the story is believable. In fact, this whole thing about contradictions in the Bible is off topic. We (you and I) are talking strictly about so called contradictions in the Bible.
     
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    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    It's up to you to point out those errors, then.

    Which I haven't. I only use the Bible when discussing evolution when someone claims both are compatible.
     
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    In keeping my promise to address the other alleged contradictions in the Bible since the first set of passages seemed to be dealt with, I will move on to the next set.

    "2. 2 Kings 24:8 says “Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.” – 2 Chronicles 36:9 says “Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem…”

    To me, this seems like a small discrepancy. Off the top of my head, the most logical explanation is one passage is generalizing while the other is being technically accurate. After all, the Book of Chronicles is supposed to be a chronological book keeping accurate accounts of the times. 2 Kings is giving us the jest of what happened. I'm not sure you can call ten days difference a contradiction when we do the same in our everyday language. Last week I drank a Sprite from the vending machine. That was generalizing. Last Wednesday I drank a Sprite from the vending machine. That is being technically accurate. Both are correct unless you thought when I said "last week" I was speaking of seven days.
     
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    The contradictions are what accounts for the 1400 different Christian sects. They exist in an effort to reconcile the sloppiness in the writing and doctrine.
     
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    You first have to prove that there are contradictions in the Bible.
     
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    Seems everyone is wrong except you.
     
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    I'll freely admit when and where I'm wrong. However I can't admit I'm wrong to a broad brush claim such as "the Bible is full of contradictions" without irrefutable evidence backing that up.
     
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    The time contradictions still exist and while your link made an attempt to justify the contradiction it failed the Laugh Out Loud test for reasonability and did NOT resolve the time contradiction.
     
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    We are talking about the difference between an 8 year old CHILD and an EIGHTEEN year old adolescent and you are blowing it off an entire DECADE as a "small discrepancy"? :eek:
     
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    You were already provided with irrefutable proof of those contradictions.
     
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    Logic is an intellectual construct. Faith is an emotional construct.

    You can't put a square peg in a round hole.
     
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    Are you saying faith is illogical?
     
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    ..more of the false narrative.

    'Creator origins are religion!'
    'Atheistic naturalism origins are science!'

    You merely exclude the alternate view of ID by definition. Atheistic naturalism is just as much a 'creation myth!' as ID. You have NO PROOF of a naturalistic belief in origins, anymore than your hated creationists.

    It is just religious bigotry, masquerading as science .

    NOBODY here is calling for teaching the bible as a science textbook. That is just fearmongering and propaganda, to smear and deflect from the OBVIOUS reality of the exclusive teaching of atheistic naturalism as the only religious belief allowed.

    I wish schools were purely secular, and didn't mandate the indoctrination of atheistic naturalism as the State Religion.
     
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    Only fundamentalist theist zealots BELIEVE that their imaginary "atheist naturalism RELIGION" exists.

    Yes, there are atheists and naturalists and it is possible to be either and/or both.

    That said it is also possible for THEISTS to embrace naturalism.

    http://thankgodforevolution.com/node/1716

    Naturalism is NEITHER theist nor atheist, it is JUST naturalism.

    Needless to say these AWKWARD TRUTHS will be lost on those who are LOCKED INTO their fundamentalist theist zealotry!
     
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    What are you getting excited about? EVERY culture has some creation myth. Do you want to teach religion in public schools?
     
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    Hell's bells, we can't even teach johnny to read!
     
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    They already do. That is my point. The religion of atheistic naturalism is forced on everyone from sesame street on.

    Is atheistic naturalism our culture's 'creation myth?'

    ..seems to be the case.
     
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    Did you just make that up? I never heard of atheistic naturalism.. and Sesame Street is only about 50 years old. The 250 creation myths are thousands of years old.

    Do you have some problem with reading comprehension?
     
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    Why, no ancient earthers, that's for sure! It conflicts with their beliefs about 'millions & millions of years!', so they avoid that inconvenient truth. :ignore:

    Why would they bring up something that conflicts with their cherished beliefs?
     
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    :rolleyes:

    ..never mind.
     
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    Never cut and run when you can learn.. Google Creation Myths.
     
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    This is why the likes of you and the OP can't have an honest discussion.
    You want to start with an end point, and make up data and theories to fit the end point.

    But thanks for sharing there is no reputable science group/entity/person dumb enough to use magnetic waves as an age indicator of earth.
     
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    You failed to address the story of Moses and the crossing of water. Sea of Reeds or Red Sea.
    I assumed you didn't address because it does show an error.

    Why are there more than 1 volume of KJV bible? For error and translation correction. Go ahead and read why each version was written and printed as a start to errors.

    You know what infallible means? Never needing to be corrected. It's perfect from the beginning.

    in·fal·li·ble
    inˈfaləb(ə)l/
    adjective
    1. incapable of making mistakes or being wrong.
     
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    So again, not infallible.
    Why would god who is inspiring the writer, need to generalize?
     
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    You are ignoring the obvious problem with the magnetic half life of the earth. This is a REAL problem, that should be faced rationally, not dismissed with appeals to authority or ad hom.

    How do you reconcile your belief in an ancient earth with the measured half life of the earth's magnetic field? If you go back in time, doubling the field every 1400 years or so (the measured magnetic half life of the earth), the field would be so strong as to vaporize life on earth, just going back a few hundred thousand years.. not even close to the claimed, 'millions & millions!' by the ancient earth believers.

    So you can dismiss this problem, or ignore it, or repeat the mantras that reassure your beliefs, but it will not make this very real problem for the ancient earth theory go away.
     

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