Biden’s ‘kids in cages’ prove his hypocrisy on immigration.

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you want is unrealistic, then, because people always find a way in. We've had people come here illegally since the nation began, so good luck with that.

    This isn't the first time we've had a major refugee crisis.

    https://www.history.com/news/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

    "The refugees seeking haven in America were poor and disease-ridden. They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets. They practiced an alien religion and pledged allegiance to a foreign leader. They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists. And, worst of all, these undesirables were Irish."

    Sounds familiar, doesn't it? And yet, those 6 million or so disease-ridden criminals proceeded to help build this country.

    Some were my ancestors. How about yours?
     
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    Nothing is 100%. Cutting it by 90% would be fine.

    It is the fastest growing one we have ever had.

    No it doesn't sound familiar. The Irish, like other European refugees - Poles, Czechs, Hungarians etc. have contributed meaningfully to our economy and culture. Indians and Russians and Cubans who have immigrated have also been positive. I believe they all came legally rather than crossing the border in the middle of the night. Immigration is good for America. That isn't the point. The problem is ILLEGAL immigration as I said. It is unfair, illegal and bad for our economy and culture. Bring in all the legal immigrants you want. I'll support that every day.

    I am the son of a legal immigrant. My wife similarly is the daughter of one. Since you asked.
     
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    You don't believe market competition is the best price control on the planet. I do.
     
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    How's that working out for the legal perscription drug market?
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mine came here legally, too.

    "They were bringing with them crime. They were accused of being rapists." -- ffs, that's almost word for word from Trump's first campaign speech in 2015 regarding Mexicans, and you claim it doesn't sound familiar? Forgive me if I doubt your veracity just a tad there.

    Then there's "They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets." -- That's a ceaseless right wing talking point.
     
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    If they tried this, the only question would be how LONG their prison sentence would be...
     
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    The children didn't make the choice to come, did they? They were pawns, used to get families into the country, illegally. Just a question for you... about 150+ million people want to come to America. Where would YOU draw a line?
     
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    Where are you getting that number?
     
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    Then there's "They threatened to take jobs away from Americans and strain welfare budgets." -- That's a ceaseless right wing talking point.[/QUOTE]

    Their purpose in coming is to get a job and their very existence in the country strains welfare budgets. Am I wrong?
     
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    How about we start LEGAL immigration. Where to draw the line? Why not start at the border, seems like a likely place to me. We are a nation on laws and we have legal ways to enter this country. Let’s start there.
    Anyone entering illegally should suffer the full extent of our laws.
    Is that difficult?
     
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    Their purpose in coming is to get a job and their very existence in the country strains welfare budgets. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]
    Yes, you mostly are, and that sentence contradicts itself. If they have jobs that pay enough for shelter, food, other basics, as well as pay taxes that gp into funds like welfare, they wouldn't need welfare.

    Their purpose is the same as everyones: to obtain the safety and prosperity that are possible in America. Immigrants from all over the world come here for that purpose. Your ancestors were no different, just maybe not as desperate.
     
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    Yes, you mostly are, and that sentence contradicts itself. If they have jobs that pay enough for shelter, food, other basics, as well as pay taxes that gp into funds like welfare, they wouldn't need welfare.

    Their purpose is the same as everyones: to obtain the safety and prosperity that are possible in America. Immigrants from all over the world come here for that purpose. Your ancestors were no different, just maybe not as desperate.[/QUOTE]
    None of that justifies illegal immigration. Not even a little.
     
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    Return them to their families in their homeland. Is that too much to ask?
     
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    SAY ANYTHING: Chuck Schumer Tries to Blame Trump for Joe Biden’s Border Crisis.
     
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    None of that justifies illegal immigration. Not even a little.[/QUOTE]
    Who's trying to justify it? I'm merely pointing out that it isn't a big bugaboo in the overal scheme of things.

    The right often equates illegal immigration with what sounds like an apocalyptic list of evils, when actual criminals are a tiny percentage, and the jobs most illegals tend to take are crap jobs with low pay that few, if any, Americans are willing to do. On top of that, the money they spend boosts the local economies.

    The right really cannot make a mountain out of a molehill no matter how hard they try.
     
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    Some of them were kidnapped. Because the immigration asylum application system was creating incentives for migrants to come with small children. So a few decided to kidnap small children from Mexican villages to bring with them, right before they reached the border.
     
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    Maybe they should be denied entry into the US. Is that too much to ask?
     
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    Who's trying to justify it? I'm merely pointing out that it isn't a big bugaboo in the overal scheme of things.

    The right often equates illegal immigration with what sounds like an apocalyptic list of evils, when actual criminals are a tiny percentage, and the jobs most illegals tend to take are crap jobs with low pay that few, if any, Americans are willing to do. On top of that, the money they spend boosts the local economies.

    The right really cannot make a mountain out of a molehill no matter how hard they try.[/QUOTE]
    They don't have to. The mountain is right there.
     
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    They don't have to. The mountain is right there.[/QUOTE]
    I disagree.

    On a side note: your posts have the /QUOTE markings in the wrong places. What's up with that? I know which is which, but others will misinterpret my words as yours. Just sayin'.
     
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    Biden doesn't care how many have to die for the Democrat's to get their new voter base. Those poor people could so overwhelm the governments ability to care for them that they starve to death and the Democrats and Biden wouldn't care. If it helps their overall chances at winning any election, those people can suffer and die.
     
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    I disagree.

    On a side note: your posts have the /QUOTE markings in the wrong places. What's up with that? I know which is which, but others will misinterpret my words as yours. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]
    That was the first mistake I have made since 1973. :)
     
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    Uh ... hmm ...

    Doesnt the right continually accuse the left of wanting open borders so that the Dems will get more votes? How does that work if, as you claim, the Biden administration is killing them? Wouldn't that give them fewer votes?

    You post sounds full of hatred, yet free of facts and self-contradicting.
     
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    That was the first mistake I have made since 1973. :)[/QUOTE]
    You were responding to "They don't have to. The mountain is right there." You have me quoted with your words. I never wrote that, you did, in #144.

    Again, you seem to be having trouble with quotes. Please stop that.
     
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    Blame the Flores ruling by the LIBERAL 9th Circuit Court of Appeal. That's why the kids had to be separated.
     

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