Biden’s ‘kids in cages’ prove his hypocrisy on immigration.

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  1. Sleep Monster

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    Prove that, please.
     
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    From your link:

    On July 9, Judge Gee of the Federal District of California, ruled that there was no basis to amend the 1997 Flores Settlement Agreement (FSA) that "requires children to be released to licensed care programs within 20 days."

    In 2017, U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee found that children who were in custody of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection lacked "food, clean water and basic hygiene items" and were sleep-deprived. She ordered the federal government to provide items such as soap and to improve the conditions.[6] The federal government appealed the decision saying that the order forcing them to offer specific items and services exceeded the original Flores agreement. The June 18, 2019 hearing became infamous[7] and caused nation-wide outrage when a video of the Department of Justice senior attorney arguing against providing minors with toothbrushes and soap went viral.

    The Flores Settlement Agreement does not require that children be separated from their parents immediately, as the Trump administration was doing. It requires that children be released "to licensed care programs" within a 20 day period, even if the parents have not yet met the requirements for release.

    Sorry, but this does not change the fact that the Trump administration's treatment of would-be immigrants was cruel and draconian as a deterrent to further immigration attempts. I maintain my claim that the cruelty was the point.
     
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    CRISIS BY DESIGN: The Biden Administration Is Keeping Immigrant Children in Deplorable Conditions.
    So much for social distancing.
    Biden and his folks screw everything up. Trump had this all under control.
     
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    Without evidence. And you still haven't acknowledged that Biden has put kids in cages. How telling!
     
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    I guess he should have spoken to the agents to whom McCarthy spoke. Apparently, they told him that terrorist on watch lists were trying to cross the border! He couldn't provide the names of those agents and others stated that hadn't heard that information. And if true, shouldn't that be reported information and intelligence? Or did McCarthy just pull that out of his butt?
     
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    The evidence of the Trump administration's policies towards immigrants from south of the boder were already provided to you with ample detail and corroboration. You are choosing, not debating.
     
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    I understand what the policies were, and there was much more to them than simply kids in cages. Do you acknowledge that?
     
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    That wasn't the overriding issue, it was permanent separation from parents.
     
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    Sure, but it was kids in cages under Trump and now too under Biden?
     
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    If you continually refuse to understand the difference, there's nothing I or anyone else here can tell you. You've set your mind that there's an equivalence where there isn't one.

    I'm done.
     
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    The OP is a red herring.

    Trump's "Zero tolerance" policy led to severe unnecessary punishment of misdemeanors.

    Obviously, unaccompanied minors, now a surging problem, separation is a moot issue.
     
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    Are these kids free to leave if they want to?
     
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    Many parents chose to leave their kids in US custody believing they had a better chance if they were alone which is why the border is seeing an increase in accompanied children. Do you suppose the parents accompanied their children to the US border then headed back to where they came from?
     
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    There was a poll done last year, IIRC, where citizens in multiple regions around the globe were asked if they would immigrate if they could. Those who answered in the affirmative were given several choices and the U.S. was selected by roughly 150 MILLION of them. Where would YOU draw the line? Do you believe that U.S. citizens who are paying taxes, should pay for healthcare, education, housing, and food for these hundreds of thousands of "immigrants"?
    One final question... when this nation collapses under this burden (27 Trillion in debt and counting, BTW), who do you imagine will be there to help the millions in need all over the world? Russia? China? India? The "Red Crescent"?
     
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    If HR1 passes and SCOTUS administers the coup de grace by calling it "Constitutional", these cheats won't even need as many incoming voters. They'll simply create the numbers they need and roll on. Or so they think.
     
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    Sure, but it was kids in cages under Trump and now too under Biden?
     
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    I DO understand the difference! Trump's policy was obviously more aggressive! It was TOTALLY different! The ONLY equivalence is that there was kids in cages under Trump and now too under Biden! You're just choosing to ignore this plain and simple FACT!
     
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    It will be interesting, to say the least, to watch how the DC Politburo maneuver the influx and watch as they decide where even THEY have to draw a line. Pelosi is blaming the BOM, of course. IMO, they're amoral filth and I really hope Karma catches up to them.
     
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    The point is that there is NO difference in their "accommodations" under slow Joe. AKA, the Left is demonstrating its hypocrisy for all to see. Just curious, sir, is there any number of these people who are literally flooding our southern border, that you'd consider "too many"?
    All snark aside, it seems to me that the Democrats are trying to take this nation DOWN with totally open borders, legislation that removes ALL SAFEGUARDS for securing our elections, and spending at a level that is guaranteed to cause economic collapse, er... reset, whatever. This is way beyond basic differences in policy. Their moves are unmistakable and I just wonder how anyone who loves this country can actually support what they are doing.
     
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    Seems to me the issue is WHERE they are being held. As for cruelty, that's on their effing parents or traffickers, IMO. I'll ask you as well... we know from polling that roughly 150 million people have expressed a desire to come to America. Where would YOU draw a line?
     
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    Not talking about the unacompanied
     
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    That issue is a red herring.
     

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