Bill Maher: "This is why people hate Democrats"

I wouldn't call Bill Maher's statement "This is Why People Hate Democrats" with his follow up attack on Democrat cancel culture as being speculative, would you?

Genetic bigoted hatred? The only genetic bigoted hatred I see these days comes from those pushing the 1619 Project and the teaching of race based hatred by CRT in our school systems and elsewhere. So to answer your question...no, I do not support this generic bigoted hatred.

So you think there may be some justification for people supporting cancel culture enthusiasts. Okay. I also don't believe we should hate any group or any political party, but I most definitely hate the polices and or actions taken by such groups that push an anti American agenda.

That would certainly be a personal decision, and it was the democrat Bill Maher who clearly stated his angst of the democrat Party for pushing this cancel culture narrative.

 

He has a show to sell. Any assumptions about what he really believes is speculative.

Your thread is about people who hate Democrats. You chose that aspect for your title. You just don't want to call that out specifically for some reason. Maybe your objection to hating people isn't as definitive as you'd like to believe and you have a much easier time criticising hatred against people you like compared to hatred against people you don't like.

I'm not even sure "cancel culture enthusiasts" exist. Lots of different people promote restrictions that could be called "cancel culture" for lots of different reasons. I think they should be treated on a case-by-case basis and recognised as the complex, multifaceted and disputed situations that they typically are. It's rarely a simple right and wrong thing.

Groups don't do things, people do, especially in cases like this, which are just about private individuals ( a couple of random people on Twitter and a filmmaker). I guarantee you can't identify any policy that is supported by every single Democrat and opposed by every single Republican (or vice-versa). If you were focusing on the actual political party organisations you might have a point but this is just about people who are associated with one party or the other which is a good two-thirds of the US population.

Just associating ideas you hate with generic groups is inevitably going to reflect the hatred on to all the members of the group (even if you truly don't intend to). And it's totally unnecessary to. You can criticise "cancel culture" without criticising (all) Democrats, indeed you could probably do a better job focusing on the issue rather than people. Of course, that would involve actually putting in the time and effort to logically explain what the problem is rather than just whining "It's bad because those people do it!".

 

You do not have a talent for being a genius of offense.

Eminem had that talent in his youth, but geniuses are rare.

 

Yeah, he has a show to sell that is almost always presented with liberal guests--though there are an occasional Republican, but the major contributor to his show's success combines a liberal audience with a knock on anything and everything to do with attacking or mocking those of us on the right. So its highly doubtful that his attack on the left's cancel culture is something he's doing in jest.

Yeah, my thread is of how Democrat Bill Maher gave an example of how and why people hate Democrats. Not my words or my hate, rather, the reasoning of Maher of why people in general hate Democrats. Again, this isn't about my love or my supposed hatred of people (any people), though you seem to want to make it about me. Perhaps I'll post something in another sub-forum that gives my deep thoughts about my love or about my dissatisfaction with certain people just to address your concern(s).

So you don't see those toppling our historic statues as people doing it with enthusiasm? Every leader and every teacher that pushes their race-dividing Critical Race Theory on our children do it with the utmost enthusiasm. CRT in our school systems is much more dangerous and much more widespread so as to be treated on a case by case basis. Watch prime time FOX TV just for one night and it will show you parents of all races up in arms at school meetings dealing with these leftist school administrators and teachers trying to get them to put a stop to this race baiting teaching of their children. This is one of the biggest crises in America--perhaps second most crisis just behind biden's total failure at our southern border.

Groups don't do things? You got to be kidding! We just went through a full summer of mostly black groups like BLM and Antifa destroying, burning, stealing and violently disrupting blue cities and small businesses (many black owned). These CRT disrupters are also a group of anti Americans. Btw, most of the leftist groups also work in tandem by destroying or attacking police across the nation. I still see re-run videos of these groups destroying police cars in NYC while pouring water and other liquids over the officer's heads while the cops were told by the liberal mayor to stand down and let these criminals run roughshod over them.

Again, its not me associating ideas of hate on generic groups. First, these are not generic groups, and second, it was the leftist Bill Maher who spoke the truth in saying just how and why people hate democrats. Now if you want to throw me in with those people who hate democrats...then be my guest. FOX TV does focus on the issue every single day and night, and a lot of what you get from me does indeed focus on the destructive nature of cancel culture etc.

 

Not jest, just opportunism. He has to take some kind of extreme position on a topic to attract attention (which has worked). My point is that doesn't necessarily reflect his personal opinion on the specific topic and certainly doesn't automatically imply anything about any political party preference or association he might hold.

Yes, he fed the all too common American attitude of hating generically defined political groupings on the basis of singular events relating to very specific issues. He doesn't question the validity or benefit that general attitude (because it makes him money) and you didn't either. Whether you actually believe it or not, I think that failure to question it implicitly supports the whole idea of hating people based on political labels.

The idea being presented is that nobody should make the kind of public statements being discussed because they're a reason to hate Democrats. What is not being presented is that nobody should hate Democrats (or Republicans) at all. That kind of hate is so common and normal that you don't even comment on it any more.

Well for a start, neither of those things are "cancel culture" but regardless, some people may well be enthusiastic about specific acts or words but that doesn't mean they're "enthusiasts" for any general concept. Nobody is a fan of destroying any statues, only specific ones. I've no doubt there are other statues the same people would enthusiastically defend (and vice-versa - people defending those statues would support destroying some different ones).

No, deadly serious. After all, pretty much all of the people you're condemning here are American, just like you. By your argument, it would be legitimate to blame (all) Americans for all these things. Groups are obviously relevant but they're ultimately made up of individuals, individuals who choose to take action and individuals who can choose to stop doing them.

I don't want to, I want you to clearly state that the incident being discussed isn't any kind of valid or rational reason to hate Democrats and that all the people who hate Democrats are wrong. I don't think simple saying that you don't hate anyone is enough in this context.

 

If it wasn't for Hitler there wouldn't have been any Nazism nor the death of 6 million Jews.

In essence your BIZARRE theist dogma EMBRACES sociopaths who engage in MASS MURDER.

WTF?

You are entitled to your own FACTLESS OPINION however that EXPOSES you to JUSTIFIABLE criticism.

INSURRECTION is un-American and it was NOT liberals that engaged in the attempt to overthrow the duly elected government of our nation on 1/6.

It was Christians who BOOED at Mike Pence and called him a traitor for upholding the Constitution in spite of the THREAT to his own life. That makes those Christians the ones who are un-American.

So you are basing your HATRED on having everything ASSBACKWARDS as far as REALITY is concerned.

WTF?

 

I'm surprised it took this long:

 

He ain't wrong.

 

Not surprising he would take on the Olympics:

 

I guess Maher's wrong:

 

Possibly the line of the year: 'And yet he's always getting pulled over by the woke police':

 

A good perspective:

 

That is how it works. People start with the premise that they are right and use that as a template for everything else in the world. So, to them, it makes sense to justify the Capitol riots while condemning all other riots.

Using your example, Trump told people that Pence had the authority to NOT accept the counts and overturn the election results. Nobody present at the Capitol on 1/6/2021 ever questioned that (or, they wouldn't have been there). As always, Trump casted doubt on our democratic process. I'm not a Pence fan. Well, I don't idolize other humans, period. However, I have gained respect for him because he did the job he took an oath and promised to do in spite of Trump berating him and countless voters hating him. It's very hard to stand up against that and Pence did. I just hope he goes down in history as the "man that did the right thing by honoring his oath to, We, the People."

 

I agree with him - but it's a bitter pill to swallow coming from you.

people hate Democrats, Progressives, Liberals, Socialists, Marxists, Communists and other extreme radical far-left lefties. bla bla bla

I wonder if there's a little scrape of middle ground between woke keyboard bullies and this:

 

So, in your world, some riots are OK but anyone you hate, not OK?

I wager you would take the exact opposite position if Trump won, and BLM & ANTIFA "peacefully protested" at the Capitol.

This right here is the seed of most of America's problems.

 

Part of that is right. He likes to rip in controversies that shouldn’t exist because they are silly and low hanging fruit and super easy to rip on

 

oh noooooooo! It’s white people!!!!
Ahhhhhh! Somebody help!

 

A good question would be why is GOP almost universally white?

 

Because black people are being scared of being called uncle toms
This leads to less blacks running for GOP positions
Don’t worry, they are starting to be a thing

 

I just had a somewhat testy discussion about that very issue on another forum. And also, about the very same argument you're making.

I simply don't buy it as an excuse. Perhaps a factor, but no more.

I wish even one of you would say "as you've presented ...about the pressures that POC feel about being the public face of GOP. " But then also acknowledge "that's an extremely white washed group of interns that doesn't really represent US. GOP might need to address that as well, internally." But somehow it's all the Democrats and the Left's fault.

The irony is Republicans are supposed to be staunchly advocate for self-responsibility and not blaming others, and yet when it comes to their own party somehow it's somebody else's fault if they're not getting it right. It's supremely ironic and I just can't agree. I've lived in the US for a year or two and I know that there's something wrong with that photo and that it stems from something internal to GOP. Very little ownership of the election loss seems to be part of this kind of glossed over self-deception.

I wonder if it's because the whole inclusiveness thing is being pushed hard and so they actually push back even harder. I realise it's a challenging environment (for the Right) to operate in, but that's how it is. You really need to win back those votes and get a more diverse representation or you're going to be nipping at the heels of the Democrats and on your back foot every election. This means that elections are not about real issues or principles of the Republican party, but simply 'how the hell do we win elections". And then the whole country suffers.

 

I dont run the GOP. I agree they could use more diversity. I don’t agree with your self responsibility analogy. Nobody is telling blacks not to run for GOP positions
Do you know what it’s like for blacks that are conservatives but feel like they have to hide it?
Do you remember some black person on msnbc said “this is what happens when a “n word” doesn’t learn how to read “ in reference to Kanye west being s trumper
Joe Biden said “you ain’t black if you don’t vote for me”
Then other lefties came up with “uncle Tim” for Tim Scott

the left is viciously and nasty when it comes to blacks that don’t fall in line
Don’t pretend this isn’t a thing

 

I can see the barriers towards and the judgment of Blacks joining GOP. I agree it's a thing and take your points. But, hard though it is, it's surely easier for GOP to change something within itself than trying to change third party viciousness from outside the party.

We don't hear much about that advocacy aspect of GOP and it is therefore easy to assume that not much is going on. Perhaps the media has some responsibility for that, but again, that's the political terrain that we are in. Attacking the other parties is not a policy or advocacy platform, and that applies to both parties.

 

So what?

Bill Maher is a Complete IDIOT...

At his point, Does anybody even care what he has to say?

Rants like that keep his IRRELEVANT Ass in the news...
Good for him...

The Pathetic Media Whore got some attention...

 

its your opinion that he’s an idiot. He is successful and calls the left out in their irrational ideas even though hes a lefty itself
You seem mighty triggered by him

 

Remind me again of what radical lefty agendas the Democrats have.