Black Folks---Listen up

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  1. Moriah

    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    "If you didn't resist, you would still be alive.
    If you didn't talk back to the cops you would still be alive.
    If you weren't wearing a hoodie, you would still be alive.
    If you didn't have a gun in the middle of a park, you would still be alive.
    If you weren't sleeping in your bed, you would still be alive.
    If you weren't sitting in the apartment that the police lady thought was her apartment, you would still be alive".
    The one common thread: if you weren't Black, maybe you would still be alive.

    I saw this on Trevor Noah's page on YouTube. It sounds pretty accurate, so I thought I'd share it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "black people should know better than to jog in Georgia"
     
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    Exactly!
     
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    The only safe thing for black people in America is to stop being black.
     
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    Actually there's quite an industry dedicated to making people of colour less, well, coloured: skin lightening creams, hair straighteners and dyes etc. How many noses did Michael Jackson have? It's all part of the same kind of racism.
     
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    not sure if this new awareness is due to the pandemic or George Floyds family, maybe both but it really draws into focus how previous american cops are basically the most racist ppl in society, its a criminal organization that actively recruits the klan..

    the Botham Jean case was so shocking it still makes me think that Mr Jean may have been mafia, in that there was very little scrutiny in the media. ...
     
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    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    Esau, what makes you think Mr. Botha was mafia? I had never heard that.
     
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    just that the case was rather swept under the rug made me think there was more to the story than we are led to believe and the fact it was such horrific circumstances yet didnt cause nationwide protests was odd too.
     
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    OK.
     
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    I don't know what to believe. I see posts like this apparently giving facts like, 10 unarmed blacks were killed last year by police in America and a large portion of those 10 killed where attacking police officers at the time.

    When i look at these "facts" it doesn't match up with the narrative that the police are mostly racist and are targeting and purposely killing innocent black people.

    Can anyone provide me with factual statistics that disputes what this video is saying and that gives clear proof that the police are actually targeting/killing innocent black people ?

    A list of cases where a cops killed innocent blacks for no good reason over the period of a year would be very useful to understand if there is actually a problem. I want to understand the problem with factual evidence rather than emotion. Thank you.
     
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    If you can't understand it from the facts in the news reports, that means you don't want to understand it.
     
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    News reports? 10 unarmed deaths where 50% attacked a police officer, A couple of bad cops that were held responsible for the murder they committed and 1 accident. To me this shows police are not going out there way to kill blacks.

    What am I missing, am I being lied to?

    Why can't you share statistics showing that people are actually targeting and killing black people if it's true?
     
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    People = "Police are actually targeting " (typo above).

    To me I find it very strange that nobody is showing factual evidence and statistics to undoubtedly prove that police are targeting and killing innocent blacks .

    If it is happening like you say then these statistics are vital in the fight against it. The only reason you wouldn't want to show actual evidence of what is really happening is if you are lying .

    Personally I want to really understand and get an accurate picture of what is happening. So I'm looking at facts. Sadly only one side of the two are provided those facts, which makes it hard to believe what they are saying is true.

    So please provide me with evidence and statistics to back up what you are saying. I would really like to listen to it and not to have statistics only coming from one side.
     
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    which one was an accident?
     
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    From Jan 1 2015 - today. Total number of unarmed police killings:

    White: 145
    Black: 123

    Total number of killings armed or not:

    White 2478
    Black 1298

    Perhaps you shouldn't jog while white either......

    Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
     
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    If you didn't talk back to the cops you would still be alive.

    that is not reason to murder someone, but will likely cause an officer to give you every ticket they can

    If you weren't wearing a hoodie, you would still be alive.


    that is not reason to murder someone

    If you didn't have a gun in the middle of a park, you would still be alive.

    that is not reason to murder someone

    If you weren't sleeping in your bed, you would still be alive.


    that is not reason to murder someone

    If you weren't sitting in the apartment that the police lady thought was her apartment, you would still be alive".

    that is not reason to murder someone


    the first one I can agree can get you killed
     
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    I do think there is some racist whites and some racist blacks in the legal system

    I also think some cops are just bad cops with fragile ego's or a narcissistic complex

    most though, I would say 99%+ are just good cops doing their jobs enforcing the laws (some of the laws are also bad laws)

    what we can agree on is we need to get rid of bad cops and punish them when caught... and prevent them from ever being a cop again

    make it a federal crime vs a local crime to abuse the power of the badge... kinda like stealing mail is a federal crime
     
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    But you see, reality runs counter to the narrative of the Political Left and so anyone speaking about reality MUST be a racist . . . unless their skin tone passes the political Left's melanin count test; and then they are merely tragically misinformed.
     
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    Even if cops are killing more whites I'm not really worried about my safety. I've had interactions with ******* cops. I just remain calm, non aggressive and comply with what they ask of me.They are just doing their job even if they have made mistake pulling you over, questioning or whatever the key is to just be polite and not escalate the situation regardless if you believe if they are a shitty cop or not.
     
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    I totally agree with you. There are going to be a very small percentage of bad cops that get the job. The key is weeding them out and dealing with the appropriately.
     
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    The ones who's gun went off accidentally. I'm aware that there is no way to be sure that it was 100% accident, but I think thats the conclusion the investigation came to.
     
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    I agree 100%. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the position that police are shooting blacks at a disproportionate rate. Because the media goes radio silent when police kill a white person, and publicize the hell out of it when they kill a black, if you didn't actually look at stats, you'd think that they were only killing blacks. That's just disingenuous.
     
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    In proportion to population, police kills over 2.5 times as many African Americans as whites.
     
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    In proportion to the crime rate, that pesky little stat that determines how many arrests are made - blacks are technically under represented in police killings. Not that I'm advocating police killings at all, just talking numbers here. As Blacks are 13% of population, yet they commit about 50% of violent crime. If they committed about 13% of that crime, then you would have a valid argument. But alas, that killed to population ratio is the correlation, and the causation is the crime rate.
     
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    That is true, but you also need to look at what rate blacks are committing crimes compared to the rest of the population.

    One way of looking at it is the persentage of the population that are in prison and that are black. Those figures show that the largest persentage of prison inmates are black.

    This shows that black are committing crimes at a higher rate that any other race and more likely encounter the police as a result. Hence the figure you mentioned.
     
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