BREAKING: House impeachment investigators release transcripts of first two deposition testimonies

There won't be any.

We already know that there is something to be looked into vis-à-vis Joe Biden.

What else is there?

 

There won't be any ........ what?

 

Proof of unjustifiable conduct by Trump regarding a request to look into Biden and Burisma.

 

This is something that looks, to me, that you're not understanding.

First: We have known examples that look corrupt.

Second: We have a request to investigate those examples.

Third: We are supposed to believe that looking into apparent corruption is corrupt.

Sorry, it's just not adding up, for me.

 

1. Anyone with a functioning brain can see this impeachment investigation is NOT a hoax. It's very real, & based on very real evidence. The framing fathers built impeachment into the U.S. Constitution for a reason. They feared some future President might act & be like Trump. Impeachment is designed to PROTECT the voters from con men like Trump.
2. Just the opposite.

 

I now see more clearly how you (& Trump supporters) & I differ in our fundamental values regarding government. You value having the states determine election outcomes rather than the individual voters. I prefer the opposite. The Constitution was written to comply with your values, & I am uncomfortable with that, because I value democracy over what we now have. When the nation first formed, most of the colonies regarded themselves as semi-autonomous nation states. That's why the Constitution was so determined to address state's concerns. The Civil War, new technologies, & ever increasing movement by citizens to other states, gradually changed people from regarding themselves as simply citizens of any given state, to thinking of themselves as citizens of the U.S. as a complete nation. I do that. I've lived & worked in nine states in my lifetime, but regard myself as an American & citizen of the U.S. as a nation. I have very little to zero political loyalty to any state. The Electoral College was designed to protect individual's commitment to their home state, but that's already obsolete, & growing ever more so as time passes. The Electoral College has become a barrier to the free will & expression of individual American choices. It needs to be made null & void.

 

We've known from the beginning that this latest hoax is based on opinion.

As there is nothing to demonstrate the validity of this opinion, there is no reason to believe that the opinion is honestly held.

 

1. I have no idea what you're referring to. Please explain.
2. The thing you call a sham is in reality the House of Reps doing their Constitutional job. If it were based on heresay, I'd agree with you. But I've heard the evidence, & it's not only real, but devastating in its implications. If you're a government hater & don't trust anything the government does, & want to destroy it, then supporting Trump is clearly the right thing to do. But I don't. I don't regard the Constitution as a "perfect" document, & I disagree with elements of it, but I agree with far more than I disagree with, & I want to protect, preserve & defend it. Trump wants to do none of those. He knows next to nothing about the Constitution, has zero interest in learning, & couldn't care less about how his actions as President impact it or the government itself.
3. Again, I have no idea what you're referring to. Explain. Clarify. And I'll respond to your observations.

 

You're being a voluntarily blind follower & supporter of Trump. You're helping Trump sabotage the U.S. government & people with your support. I am NOT with you.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...on-testimonies.563878/page-40#post-1071162335

If that's truly your reason, isn't it dishonest to support impeachment over manufactured offenses?

I don't see any other way to read it. It looks, to me, that you're opposed to Trump and don't care what means are used to oppose him; even when the Constitution that you profess to support is trampled upon.

When did you sign up for the By Any Means Necessary method of getting your way?

If you were to come on here an say that these constant hoaxes arre wrong, if you were to come on here and say that you support impeachment on the grounds of unfitness to serve, you would undercut my entire complaint.

If you think that Trump should be impeached due to being unfit, advocate for that.

But to, instead, support these shams only because they align with your hoped for result, doesn't instill confidence in your professed support for the Constitution.

Is Congress really doing their Constitutional duty when they make crap up in order to use the tools of government against us?

 

The core problem with your entire post here, is it's total dishonesty regarding the avalanche of evidence that Trump abused his powers of office to use $millions of appropriated funds by Congress, in an illegal & brutal bribery scheme, for personal gain, against the new President of Ukraine, who wanted nothing to do with it. There is absolutely NOTHING remotely close to a hoax happening here. Trump is an embarrassment for America, & the absolute worst possible example of the utter failure of the American electorate in American history. Your refusal to care enough about the country & its well being, by accepting the Trump propaganda without question, is making you an enabler of that offensive & illegal activity by Trump, now & into the future.

 

Your alternate universe frightens me.

Vote for his opponent.

 

Opinions, presumings, suppositions, and blind guesses aren't evidence.

There is no evidence.

 

My alternate universe is based on honesty, integrity, compassion, caring & love; NOT greed, self-promotion, ego, power madness, selfishness, & disregard for others. Trump's world is the one that's scary.

 

There's tons of evidence & it's growing daily. Your mind is closed, & like some Republican leaders in Congress, you're refusing to look at the evidence. Your loyalty is to the autocrat rather than your country. I am NOT with you.

 

Fact Ukraine President didn't know the money was held during the call nor Taylor testified that it never came up in 3 personal meetings he had with him following the call. A reasonable person would conclude nobody had talked to him about the quid pro quo because he was certainly wanting the money.

Fact There is not any quid pro quo in the call transcript

Fact as the UK Ambassador testified Burisma was indeed under investigation when Biden told UK that he was holding a billion dollars until the prosecutor was fired, something all of a sudden the left wants ignored from last weeks testimony.

These are real facts not hearsay feelings or thoughts...

 

1. Wrong. The current ongoing testimonies by professional foreign service workers in Congress, have established that the Ukrainians were aware of the hold on their aid several weeks before the famous "call". Taylor was the Ambassador in Ukraine, but was NOT included in the shadow diplomatic wing being used by the President to conduct foreign policy around the State Dept. Trump was ignoring the foreign service professionals in favor of working with his personal lackeys, Guiliani, Sandland & Pompeo.
2. Wrong. The quid pro quo has been FIRMLY established by the ongoing testimonies by professional foreign service workers in the Congressional hearings.
3. VP Biden was carrying out the policies of both the Obama administration & those of the European Union, in helping get the top Ukrainian government attorney fired for corruption. I believe Burisma was being investigated at the time, but the EU especially, wanted the anti-corruption investigations to be much more comprehensive & intense than they were under this corrupt official. VP Biden had a lot to do with getting him fired. The result was to INCREASE the depth & intensity of the investigations, NOT diminish them. Biden actually worked to strengthen the investigations--including the one on Burisma. The rumors that Biden wanted to stop the investigations are totally false, & a complete misrepresentation in regards to what he actually did.
4. Your "facts" are either incomplete, or completely wrong.