BREAKING: House impeachment investigators release transcripts of first two deposition testimonies

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep, and there is nothing wrong with any of that unless you think you run the country.
     
  2. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Dude! They all have a record of lying.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    Reality is that Democrats will stop at nothing to regain the White House by any means possible, look how desperate they have been to have their Trump coup since even before he was sworn it.
     
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    No I don't believe a word Schiff utters.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    But you believe Trump--a proven liar.
     
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    Since Biden says no and Shokin says yes, then it needs to be investigated that's what asked be done in conjunction with the U.S. AG.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Depends on what he says but here I have the transcript and the testimonies. No impeachable offense.
     
  8. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    1. Article 1, Section 9, of the U.S. Constitution says that what Trump did was a crime. All laws are & must be compliant with the Constitution.
    2. When Trump told Zelensky, "there's a favor we want of you, though," that was criminal--not because we never do quid pro quos with other countries, but because they CAN NEVER BE PERSONAL FOR OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS. This quid pro quo was personal for Trump, & NOT for something for the benefit of the U.S. Using the power of the Presidency to force a quid pro quo over Zelensky, for purely personal political benefit, is an impeachable crime according to the U.S. Constitution.
    3. True--so long as it benefits the two countries involved--NOT individual leaders.
    4. Biden was told to stop the then Ukraine top investigator because he was himself known to be deeply corrupt himself. Biden was helping Ukraine fight internal corruption by riding itself of its highest ranking corrupt official. That official was NOT investigating the company where Biden's son worked, but by eliminating him, the VP opened that same company up to an open investigation--which was done afterward by the new Ukraine officials. VP Biden actually increased the chances of his son being investigated by the work he did in Ukraine, rather than decreasing them. Yet, he did his job, as assigned by Obama, in spite of his possibly increasing the danger of having his son investigated. That says a lot for VP Biden in terms of integrity.
     
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    I personally regard Trump as the least desirable, least honest, least capable man we've ever elected into the Presidency, & I do enthusiastically support his impeachment & removal from office. However, I base that enthusiasm on his disregard for the laws of this land coupled with his lack of personal integrity & respect for anyone who dares disagree with him. His dealings with Ukraine are clearly illegal & unconstitutional, & deserve impeachment & removal more than any previous President. Using his power as President to force a foreign leader into a clearly unwanted investigation designed solely for the purpose of benefiting Trump himself personally (& NOT the nation), is very much in line with what Nixon did, except Trump went one step further by involving a foreign country.

    As I watch the ongoing proceedings in the Congressional Impeachment Hearings, I am more & more confused by the continuing support for this man who has obvious & sinister flaws in his character. He has absolutely NOTHING in his personality that I'd feel comfortable encouraging my kids or anyone else's, to admire or emulate. I regard nothing he stands for as something I want America to be known for around the world. His America is anathema to my America. I want an America sensitive to & responsive to the most important values of mankind, like honesty, integrity, compassion, respect, honor, inclusiveness, & love. Trump offers none of those as leader of America. And, I'm increasingly concerned that most of his supporters don't either.
     
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    1. There was most assuredly a quid pro quo between Trump & Zelensky. Testimony by both Taylor & Sondland confirm that fact. Trump himself has confirmed it in his tweets. Trump has NEVER been concerned about Ukraine corruption, or corruption anywhere. He was quick to immerse himself in it to get dirt on his assumed 2020 Democratic opponent, Biden.
    2. If you believe Ivanka didn't benefit from being Trump's daughter, then you are either severely ill-informed or simply so strongly pro-Trump you aren't willing to see the truth. Yes, all foreigners have to make application, make copyrights & go thru the lengthy procedures necessary for Chinese approval before they can set up business & make profits. But the word "lengthy" is the key word. That process normally takes anyone at least 2 years to get approved. Once Trump was elected President, the Chinese made it a priority to approve Ivanka--almost immediately. You really think that special attention didn't help Ivanka start making money overnight? You really think that special attention was based on her natural feminine beauty? I think it was based on nepotism.
     
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    I think you're forgetting that nationwide, Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump. Trump won because of the nefarious, outdated Electoral College. Your claim that Democrats couldn't win at the ballot box is totally wrong based on the popular vote count. :)
     
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    Yeah, but some more than others. Your side fits into that majority category.
     
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    I admit a sincere & serious discomfort with Trump--but as an AMERICAN more than just as a Democrat. Trump has personality quirks that tend to disqualify him as President, as your next door neighbor, or even as a fellow human being. As one of those Americans, & a Democrat, I am concerned by Trump's disturbed personality & how that impacts the functions of our government at home & the image of America abroad. Trump doesn't reflect the values I hold most dear, either personally, or as a leader. But I support impeachment & removal because he broke the law in a way that endangers the U.S.
     
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    Trump is irrelevant to this inherently corrupt process.

    Those involved in this hoax are making a mockery of the foundations of our nation.
     
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    The testimonies over the past month or so, have all substantiated the allegations of the original whistle blower. Yesterday, we learned from Ambassador Taylor that a 2nd phone call on July 26th (?), between Trump & Sondland, confirms Trump's personal control over the Ukraine investigation into Biden. I'm puzzled by your refusal to deal with the facts.
     
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    Clearly, your personal values are vastly different from my own, & your America & Trump's America, are antithetical to the America I've always supported & believed in.
     
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    1. The President of the U.S. is NEVER irrelevant to the political & moral leadership of this nation. Your acceptance of his behaviors simply encourages them, since he never pays a price for continuing them.
    2. Donald Trump & his henchmen, & his voting supporters, are the ones making a mockery of this nation & its historic ideals.
     
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    The America that I support wouldn't manufacture fake hoaxes in order to disenfranchise the Constitutionally guaranteed will of the voters.

    Sorry that your candidate lost.

    I didn't want either of them. I sure as hell don't want your rule by politburo, though.
     
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    And there was nothing impeachable in the whistleblower complaint and no it made fallacious claims such as Trump demanded 8 times the Ukraine investigate Biden. But let's just have him testify under oath before the Congress. And we heard more third party hearsay claims and why would there be a call between the President and an official taking place in a foreign country on an unsecure cell phone talking classified information?
     
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    Trump is irrelevant to this unconstitutional effort to overthrow the will of the voters.

    I don't know if you consciously support totalitarianism, or not. That you support it, I do not doubt.
     
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    I didn't vote him and personally can't stand him but he IS THE PRESIDENT. Don't like his values don't vote for him but that is not impeachable and no he broke no laws. Had he broke any laws that would be the subject of this impeachment. Have you notice that the Democrats got their impeachment and NOTHING about obstruction of justice or Russian collusion or emoluments or all the other crap they have been throwing around? This lame phone call which has NOTHING impeachable in it.
     
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    Only in one state so what? He won 30 states to her 21. There was no national popular vote there were 51 separate and unique votes and the Electoral College remains the brilliant creation of our founding fathers to balance the power between the state, you do realize the STATES elect the President not the PEOPLE and you don't even have a constitution right to vote for the President. And because you are pissed about it is no reason impeach him.
     
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    Both hearsay, which should be ignored. The ones on the call say there was none.

    Bunk, he didn't create the dirt, it's been there since before Biden decided to run. Trump has every right to root out corruption before a nation gets foreign aid, Biden doesn't get a pass because he's running for office.
     
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    It wouldn't be the Deep State creeps that tried to disenfranchise half the country with the Russia hoax, would it?
     
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    THEY DON'T CARE! They want to throw away the foundations of what made this the greatest nation to have ever existed.
     

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