BREAKING: Trump’s First Legislative Effort Fails as G.O.P. Pulls Bill to Repeal Obamacare

Sure he was ... of course, I'm partially retired, and since Trump took office, I've worked 4 weekends.

Just say'n.

 

You do. But Obama alleged he planned to cover 60 million. Now he is gone. What can he do today?

 

A few hundred years worth of mostly necessary and world government sanctioned battles compared to thousands and thousands of years of barbaric religious tribal savagery and terrorism.

Not a good comparison my friend.

 

Proving the savage label to be accurate because every other world religion expect Islam (and one other*) has moved on from those barbarian times.

*voodoo practices of nations like Haiti, surprise surprise another protected minority class liberalism chomps at the bit to defend

 

It is not possible for me to go off on Obama over constant travel but be kind to Trump. But Obama was almost daily on AF-1 and flew all over the country. Surely as important as presidents are, we go to them and not they come to us?

Trump won't make pals by always going to Miro Lago. A lot of complaining will commence and not stop until he lives up to his talks. He berated Obama so has to take the heat.

But this past weekend, Spicer alleged Trump was at the White House.

 

When Obama won in 2008, I was pretty depressed. Not for me, but for the country. I saw what would happen. And I got it right. When he won the last time, I kept wondering who could be that stupid. Vote for him 1 time and I blame him. But the last time, you got the blame.

I seriously was concerned we never would return to power. But we did. I feel much more relaxed with Trump than with Obama. If Trump calls the cops out over an arrest and has the person arrested over to the White House for a beer, i shall come down on Trump like I mean it. We had that happen with Obama.

If Trump takes the side of rioters that burn businesses and cars and shoot people, he will be off my list that day. We lived with such a president for 8 years. no more.

 

This is why I personally wanted a Governor. Trump supposedly is a fast learner. Time will tell if that is the case. But to those gloating, this is a hell of a lot faster than Obama was trying to pass his ACA law. He blundered for close to a year and then finally was able to get a Harry Reid done in secret bill looked at. Reid had to first pay off a number of Democrats to get them to vote for the ACA. I don't think we will find such hush money paid to republicans by Trump.

 

You are criticising Obama for taking a long time and eventually SUCCEEDING in getting some legislation passed, while you praise Trump (or at least give him a pass) for rushing things along and then FAILING to get his legislation passed, precisely because he rushed it?

Bizarre.

 

He didn't deliver yet. Plenty of time to replace it with something better for all Americans. There is a long way to go. You'll have to put up with him for at least four years. Have fun.

 

If those are your best examples for why Obama's election made you depressed, then you are not acting very rationally. You could have choosen to concern yourself over issues like the economy (which was on the verge of depression), jobs (which we were hemorrhaging at a rate of 900k/month), or terrorism (even though we had not faced a major attack in several years, the threat remained).

Instead you appear to have concerned yourself specifically with issues that showed up because Obama was black.

The person arrested was a professor that was invited along with the cop that Obama stupidly called out in order for all three to have a beer...and Obama did not come out in favor of folks who burned businesses, cars, and shot people unless you are so simplistic as to loop support for any Black Support groups with all of those individuals...in fact Obama EXPLICITLY and ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS condemned those actions.

I guess you can rest assured knowing that Trump is not black.

 

If the democrats wrote a new healthcare bill themselves and Paul Ryan or Trump presented it to congress for a vote, none of the Democrats would vote for it.

 

Single payer is better, but the Rand Paul Draconian Brigade are so blinded by Laissez Faire profiteering that they can't be bothered to learn how insurance works.

The Freedom Caucus, Rand Paul, all the tea party darling idiots, and other rabid right wing ideologues need to catch the scent on the breeze; the American People got a taste for what "required minimum standards of coverage" is like, and they won't like losing it.

Here's an anecdote, but one I guarantee plenty of the people on this forum, and in this country, can identify with.

My wife and I have a baby girl. She is in day care. We can afford to live off just my salary, or off of just hers. We specifically bought our home, our cars, etc, around being able to comfortably live with one salary.

That all hinges, though, on having good healthcare. My wife has the far, far better healthcare package. At my job, the equivalent healthcare package for the three of us is more then triple the cost.

Based STRICTLY on those numbers alone, we can't afford for her to stay home with our kid, and she has to go to daycare.

No matter what any right wing free market clown things, the human species didn't evolve to send our kids to live with other people for hours on end because we can't afford ****ing health insurance.

In this country, we love to make fun of the French for their high taxes. They pay 21% of their income into taxes for healthcare. For the VAST majority of us, myself included, I would end up saving money on this system, since I'd have no deductibles or co-pays or premiums on TOP of the taxes I already pay, into this system.

Healthcare is not car insurance and it can, nay, should NEVER be treated as such. The two cannot be considered the same.

 

"Success" is kind of subjective isn't it? Passing ACA certainly got millions more access to care, but the fiscal insolvency is a real problem. Obama focused all his attentions on coverage, and while that's a noble pursuit, it's somewhat irresponsible. Obama kept ACA on life support for years. He trusted that Clinton would take up his mantle and find ways to fund ACA. He hoped that at least she'd further postpone it's inevitable demise. ACA was another band aid, just like his stimulus package. Effective in the short term, but not a solution.

 

Instead of how the Democrats passed a flawed bill instituting a failing program and refused to even admit it let alone propose anything to fix it?

 

So you can afford to stay home if someone else pays your healthcare which means they can't afford something they want.

 

No. I can't afford for my Wife to stay home because the amount WE PAY is too high. Don't try this load of steaming bullshit argument.

WE pay a high enough premium now. With deductibles and co pays and everything else we pay for healthcare, we already pay more then the 21% of our income the average French citizen pays.

Their system works, is far cheaper, and makes more sense.

YOU have no argument beyond trying to make this about me wanting someone to pay for my healthcare.

I don't.

But I also don't want to pay for a system that artificially inflates the price of healthcare through:

1. Massive CEO bonuses
2. IGNORED hospital mergers that inflate massively the price of coverage
3. Profiteering by rogue CEO's randomly increasing the price of necessity items just to increase a shareholders profit

Moreover, you failed to address the reality. Republicans and conservative lie peddlers on the healthcare front have pitched a total bullshit narrative about insurance. Not one of them understands it, and not one of them cares to understand it.

Single Payer is cheaper, more effective, and the more humane system. Your smear attempt though is duly noted.

 

The fiscal insolvency is SPECIFICALLY due to the right wing hysteria surrounding government bargaining and price fixing.

Not one conservative here can defend the claim that insurance should be a for profit venture when considering the healthcare realm, because it is illogical nonsense to do so.

Penalizing people because they were born with a disorder is absurd.

Penalizing people for genetics is absurd.

Penalizing people for the actions of their parents is absurd.

Penalizing people for having the absolute audacity to develop cancer is absurd.

 

So you can't make the intellectual distinction between supporting a government program and endorcing a law or something? Can you point me to where Trump is not enforcing the Obamacare provisions?

And so what is the Democrat fix and what happened to it when they passed it?

 

You'll have more chance of convincing Dr.'s to work pro bono, than the insuance industry of foregoing profits. Good luck.

 

The insurance industry forgoing profits? **** that, dismantle them, that's the point. Doctors working pro-bono?

Doctors don't work pro-bono in France, Canada or any other single payer country. You're under some serious delusion here if you think they are working for free.

More right wing fever swamp nonsense when it comes to healthcare.

I noticed though you didn't address the point. Typical, because you know you can't debate it.

 

Are there ACA provisions for treatment of "right wing swamp fever"?

 

I can make the intellectual distinction between enforcing a law and supporting the law, but that distinction seems very minimal and I could make a much stronger argument that enforcing the law requires that one support the law.

Does it really benefit Americans to allow the law of the land, the law which governs a 3 trillion dollar industry, the law which directly impacts the health of Americans, to implode?

As for Trump not enforcing the provisions, I would note that the Health & Human Services are currently being probed by a watchdog group because of their decision to pull Obamacare Ads days before the open enrollment ended.

As for the Democrat fix...are you asking me what their current plan entails? Because the proposal that I have seen include suggestions for automatic re-enrollment and working on drug prices. I am unsure, but believe that many would also agree to work on allowing cross-state sales of insurance policies or tort reform.

 

Again, you ignore the point. I guess it goes unchallenged, then.

You do realize the entire idea of insurance is socialized profit systems, right? It's capitalist socialism. Risk pooling insurance "high risks" with "low risks" (underwriting profit margins) to offset the losses of the high risks with the premium payments of the low risk.

Every single baby boomer is being subsidized by Generation X, and Generation Y.

It's a socialized system that has been neutered by capitalism. It is not the other way around.

 

But you want someone else TO pay for it so you don't have to send your child to daycare.

Pure conjecture I have zilch reason to believe a government take over of the healthcare system would produce better and cheaper healthcare in this country and reason to believe quite the opposite.

 

The government would not take over hospitals or employ doctors. Single payer, private delivery is not the VA.. which could be closed down.