Britain Is Bleeding

Yes and that freedom is basically a freedom from any realistic fear of being shot

A freedom greater than our American friends will ever know

 

we who don't live in drug gang infested areas run by anti gun Democrat politicians have no more fear of being shot than cowardly Brits who are afraid to trust honest citizens to own handguns. plus we have the ability to enjoy the shooting sports freely-something bedwetting gun banners don't let Brits have.

 

Till a radicalized Muslim runs you over.

 

Get back to me when that possibility becomes less than 200 times that of being shot dead in the US

 

And just who is shooting people ?
Licensed gun owners ?

A small minority of criminals that are not affected by gun laws and gun restrictions, so why do you fear law abiding armed citizens that are not committing crimes ?

 

Nationmaster is not a reliable source to be cited.

 

False statistics.
And I have survived every encounter with armed criminals unscathed.
Even getting shot is not an instant guarantee of death.

 

Why? Are you a gangbanger?

 

So explain why all the other developed countries fare so much better than the US or do you think they somehow don't have criminals too ?

 

Thankfully my society chooses not to live life in an armed combat zone. I worry about getting shot about as much as I worry about getting struck by lightning

 

Well it comprehensively links its sources

You just dont want to acknowledge its findings

 

They have fewer criminals.

Tell me this then, I can document a small island Country with very strict gun control, yet any criminal can and does illegally obtain guns,
They have licenses, tests, psychological exams by a Psychiatrist, yet criminals with enough money circumvent the laws and for the most part operate unhindered by the Police.

 

The simple fact is your society makes it far too easy for criminals to acquire guns making criminal activity far more lethal and effective . Unfortunately thats just the way the legal gun huggers want it to be. How else are they going to live out their Dirty Harry fantasies after all ?

 

Jamaica.
Laws may be strict, control however, is not strong.

We have certainly had problems with Yardy gangs bringing that culture with them to the UK, but ultimately, their access to guns in this country is nominal only.
Our geography, culture and customs infrastructure makes this way less of a concern than there.
There is no Mexican style border here, you can't row a boat over from Venzuala etc.
Crime rates are very much lower in general.

So we aren't really concerned by gun crime. It's basically not a factor in British life. Similarly but more extremely perhaps, Japan is the same.

 

Really ?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-london-39578500

Says differently

 

It's the job of policemen to be concerned by such things. It may however surprise you to learn that most of us aren't policemen.
The concerns of policemen trying to justify their salaries, are not shared by many.

2,000 "gun" crimes in a city of 8 million people, where waving a water pistol at someone counts as a gun crime. Not a big concern.
Sorry, America, Sorry BBC.

To put that into a perspective for you, count the number of gun crimes in a comparable American city, New York for example. I think you'll notice the difference.
Take note however, that gun crime in America probably involves a higher standard of criminality. We are not discussing like for like crime.

You might also note that gun crime is not a political issue here. No party stands on issues of gun control or has any stated policies there on.
Knife crime however still crops up in political debate.

 

I agree with you on much, if not most of what you say,
I was a Police Officer in New York City, home of the strictest gun control and a process that seems like a page out of George Orwells Book 1984.....

I had been so thoroughly vetted, uncomplaining of course.

You mention "Gun crime" There is only crime, I assure of that, because if a man is killed by throttling, he is still most assuredly dead.

Many times I arrived at a scene of a dead victim, and was powerless to do anything save try and solve the crime after the fact, wondering how different the outcome if the victim had been armed with a small revolver in reserve.

In spite of strict gun control and police efforts crime was high to varying degrees, lower in Neighborhoods with Citizen Watch groups and Hunt clubs oddly enough, nobody wants to tangle with a Tiger hunter, lol ....

And to tell the truth, I would rather face an attacker with a gun, than face one with a knife, I got sliced up badly last go about, still managed to disarm him, and hand him over to the plods, alive and unharmed......
Not bad for an old fat medical man...
Think Nigel Bruce...

 

Likewise I am heavily vetted myself.
Policemen involved in shooting incidents go through the same investigations I do. And face the same level of vetting.
Actually I think it's a bit rich to treat them this way. I think, if you send a gunmen out to confront an armed man, it's a bit rich to complain when he shoots someone. Put a man in that situation and you must be prepared to back his judgement. Right or wrong, it's his call. Back him up or don't send him in the first place.
I'm not a fan of the police, but that's just not the way to treat people. Trust must be offered.

Vetting is an arse but broadly speaking I am comfortable with the outcome.
In my mind, I have access to the guns I want, criminals and police don't. Suits me.

I would also prefer to deal with armed aggressors at gunpoint. But the plain truth is, I've never been faced with an armed aggressor. Ever.
I don't live in that world and like most people although I know it exists I find it very easy to avoid completely.

 

Somehow you ring as a Policeman of some sort, or special branch etc.... I would not expect you to admit such.

It was frightening in my younger years, to work undercover and to enter unarmed into the criminal world, walking into the valley of death dressed in scanty unprotected clothes, one good punch, or knife thrust and I certainly would have been finished.

And these were rough people with lengthy prison experience behind them and would stick at nothing as murder and humiliation being tools of the trade.

It was not uncommon practice for these criminals to strip a man naked and humiliate him by sexual abuse, rape and video to use as blackmail to insure cooperation if that man turned out to be a Police Agent / Officer, after all, what Police Agent would want to turn evidence if it meant discovery of such abuse ?

 

When you start counting murder the way we do, let us know.

Yours is the country that just added 89 murder cases from 1989 to the 2017 totals because you just figured out the case.

Your countries method of determining homicide rate is hilariously bad.

 

On the basis that they do not tolerate the same culture of violence that the united states is subjected to. In other developed countries, the public actually has to abide by the rules, or they will actually face the consequences of their actions. Being a lawbreaker is not regarded as a badge of honor, and does not bring respect for being one.

 

It may link its sources, but it does not present the data in an accurate and honest manner.

 

Everything that can be done, quite literally everything, to legally prevent known and convicted criminals from acquiring firearms in the united states, has already been done. There is not so much as one, single, legal avenue available to them, that would allow them to acquire, much less actually possess a firearm. The effectiveness of the law in the united states has already been pushed to its limit. There is nothing more that can be done.

Fantasies of being high-ranked, recognized law enforcement officers?

 

Wow a whole 89 in 28 years eh. You say hilarious ? That as many as are gunned down in the US every single day!

 

Prove it ?