Building collapse abortion analogy

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're in a building collapse. Rubble has fallen over the place and there's only one way out, it would involve crawling through a narrow opening under a fallen concrete pillar. But there's a man in the way, his arms and legs are pinned down and there's no way to maneuver his body out of the way of the exit so you can get through. Then you spot a bone saw.

    The man has been knocked unconscious. He can't talk.

    There's no telling how long you're going to be trapped there until rescuers arrive. It could be days.

    Is it okay to saw through the unconscious man's body to escape?
    His body stands in the way of your body's freedom.

    How is this different from abortion?
     
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  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Easy, it's not abortion....just another Desperation Fantasy
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More cognitive dissonance.

    "It must not be bad if it's abortion"
     
  4. Moonglow

    Moonglow Well-Known Member

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    There is no azzhole with smuge self sense of morality bugging the shyt out of ya..
     
  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see pro-choicers can't put up a defense against this analogy.
     
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    In order for this to be more accurate ... when the building collapses, a person on the floor above you is shoved into your uterus. Kazenatsu then forces you to hold the person in your uterus for nine months before you are allowed to leave the rubble. There, fixed it for you.
     
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    Maybe if you time travel and revert back to a fetus the scenario may work but wouldn't the bone saw have to be smaller?
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're basically saying it's really a matter of time of how long the woman loses her bodily freedom. A few days is fine, but several months and the woman has the right to get out that bone saw.
     
  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one shoved the fetus in there. The woman put it there, in a manner of speaking.
     
  10. Moonglow

    Moonglow Well-Known Member

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    Only under specific circumstances which are rare.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I like mine better....
    Suppose instead.....
    There is a man in a coma in South Africa who will die without a liver transplant. You are the only one in the world who has a match. You are a single young woman with two kids and a low paying job. If you agree you will not be reimbursed, will probably lose your job for missing work and possibly have health issues in the future. Must you save his life?
    Okay, add the fact to the analogy that she caused his coma by accident, negligence or even on purpose can she be compelled to donate her liver?

    Which you baled on answering.
     
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    The woman????

    Did you just have a slip of the tongue???
     
  13. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wouldn't you agree the woman is as responsible as the man is for putting it in there?
     
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    That is not what you said.


    You said the woman.


    The truth comes out
     
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    Another dystopian fantasy that exposes the absurd levels of DESPERATION those who want to DEPRIVE women of their RIGHTS are willing to go?

    What comes next?

    Passing some unconstitutional "law" that gives every fetus the "right" to be "armed" with a "bone saw"?
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a human being my first thoughts would be to try to save the man. But lets change the scenario a little, it is not a man but your pregnant wife, if you abort you can save her life and free her.If you do not abort you cannot get her out and they may both die, what you going to do?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Easy, it's not abortion....just another Desperation Fantasy




    More stupidity..""".if it can be conjured up in a "mind" it has something to do with abortion"""
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the probability she is going to die?

    Is that comparable to a typical pregnancy?

    Seems to me my scenario has a lot more in common with a common unwanted pregnancy than yours does.
     
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    Seems like you do not want to answer the question!
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In some ways a woman getting an abortion is even worse than the example in this analogy. At least a woman who is pregnant is free to walk around wherever she so chooses.
     
  21. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the probability he is going to die?
    What is the probability I am going to die?
    What is the probability he is going to die?
    What is the probability I am going to be rescued?
    One is a man trapped in a building who is not part of another human being!
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Equal to that of a woman in a typical pregnancy.

    You're guaranteed to be rescued within 7 months. (That's about how long a woman has left in front of her when she discovers she's pregnant)
    The rescuers can pass you down food and medical supplies with a rope through a tiny opening in the ceiling, but it will take them a while to clear out the heavy debris and get you out of there.
     
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    And the other questions?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    90% probability the man will survive if you wait until being rescued.

    But, judging by the clothes he's wearing, you think he may be a poor man and not have a very good life. But you don't know that for certain.
     
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    Well I was born poor to a family that really wanted me and helped me when I was a baby who could not look after myself. Luckily I lived in a community based on socialism so I was helped with health care, schooling and most of a humans basics needs, we lived in a council house (imagine that)! I still dress like a poor man since I would rather spend my money on travel and motorbikes and I am kept alive by a wonderful NHS I have had a great life.So that all being the case and assuming this is in my country, I would not judge a man by his clothes and I would know that when rescued he stood every chance of having a good life supported by a socialist state. I would therefore wait, because not least of all I do not tell others what should be done with their bodies, of course if it was part of my body and they wanted to cut of my leg to get me out I would say pass me the drugs and cut away!

    How about you answer my question now!
     
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