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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by PT78, Jan 28, 2018.

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  1. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's a viewpoint. :)
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Collusion and monopoly - yup. :(
     
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  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Dude if it's free someone didn't get paid to do it. internet needs infrastructure some one has to build that infrastructure and maintain it. The only way that's cheap or free. is if someone didn't get paid for their labor.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    So do you blame the city fathers who put it up for sale or the company that bought it?
     
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  5. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Again, I'm usually pretty against the feds sticking their noses in local business and I am a very strong supporter of states rights in general. However, I do understand that although we live in various cities, states, regions, etc we still live in a single country and the feds do have a purpose.

    Every once and awhile, mind you not too often....but every once and awhile I do support the feds stepping in and telling locals "No you can't do that".

    Due to the fact that so many Americans live in areas with single ISPs who hold a proverbial chokehold on any and all competition, I believe that if left unchecked they would run amok and take advantage of customers. If local governments are willing to allow that to happen then I support, much to my dismay, federal intervention to prohibit it.
     
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  6. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Cheap or free; sounds good to me. :)

    I'm happy to help maintain/build the system if I can get access in exchange - how's that?

    Win/win.:banana:
     
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  7. garyd

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    Yup, however, both are dealing in shady, albeit legal business. Local governments are basically charging unreasonable rent prices that they know only rich corporations can afford to pay. The corporations in turn accept that because it also means only they can afford to pay the rent which prohibits any competition from coming around giving them free reign to price gouge the consumer base.

    Which is exactly why I currently pay more for my internet in a single ISP area than other folks in larger areas who literally get 10x the internet speed that I do.

    But hey, can't blame a business for doing business things. When you're the only show in town you are allowed to pull crap like that.[/QUOTE] Well they do have to recoup the cost of that rent they pay yearly for the right to be there. Please note the same stratagen is in use for cab service electric and gas.
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
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    Local governments pimped themselves out for money. Whose fault is that?
     
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    Either or not multiple choice. The game has been played by local government for decades you gas water and electric work pretty much the same way.
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Plenty of blame to go around. :)
     
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    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    Problems there too; lotsa shady doings.
     
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  13. garyd

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    Yeah not sure exactly what happened.
     
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    YOur two choices are usaully at&t or comcast or Cox.. AT&t gets grandfathered in because they used to be the only phone company in town. If there is a third it's usually direct TV. By the way if you are willing to forgo everything but wifi that's fairly inexpensive.
     
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  15. Nightmare515

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    See I don't know about this. Unless you use the internet for your home business or something then you sort of don't NEED it. It's pretty heavily intertwined with folks entertainment nowadays but I mean it's not exactly a necessary utility. You NEED food, water, shelter, and A/C or Heat depending on where you live and the time of year. There are actual laws in place to prohibit utility companies from cutting off your heat in the winter where I live right now regardless of whether you pay the bill or not because without heat you would literally die here.

    Not gonna die without your internet...life would be more inconvenient but Spectrum cutting off folks internet isn't going to kill them.

    That's why I am torn on this issue. I support free market capitalism for the most part but there is a limit. If I went out tomorrow and saw that every local grocery store decided to collectively raise the price of milk to $30 a gallon and tried to tout "free market capitalism" then I would 100% support the federal government coming in here and telling them to cut that crap out if the local government didn't handle it.

    But...I don't know if they have any business dealing with the internet. I personally support FCC Net Neutrality, but I honestly do understand why it was repealed even though I don't particularly like it. If the decision is reversed on the federal level then I would support it. If it's not reversed then I do understand and I support that too even though I don't like the decision.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    In my area there is only one high speed cable provider which is Spectrum. Multiple DSL services though. So basically if I want internet with any decent amount of speed to actually do anything worthwhile then I am stuck with Spectrum. Which are crooks who openly lie about the service they provide and literally do not actually give you the service speed that you pay for.

    And when you call them on the phone to discuss that they will tell you that it is "advertised up to XX speed, you aren't guaranteed that". If you complain enough they will eventually boost your internet back to what they actually advertise then throttle it back down a few weeks later when they think you aren't paying attention anymore.

    Oh and charge you outrageous prices for such excellent customer service as well. You'll pay more for 30mbps internet than other folks in the country pay for 300mbps internet.

    Them being crooked has nothing to do with the net neutrality repeal though. They've been a terrible company ever since they were Time Warner Cable and have been throttling back peoples internet around here and lying to customers for years. I'm worried about what these crooks will do now that net neutrality is gone.
     
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    The first internet service I had was Alta Vista. It was free, and the most reliable I have had, sometime around 1996 I guess. But it wasn't long and another company took them out.

    As to how they did what they did for free, I have no idea. I only know it was good and I didn't pay. Maybe it was all designed to get the high dollar buyout, idk.
     
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  18. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You say regulation isn't the problem, and then blame regulatory capture.

    ...

    Is this thing on?

    You honestly think that the solution to the problem is to grant stronger regulatory authority to the entity you believe is owned by the people you want to regulate?

    Seriously, is this thing on?
     
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  19. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think I'm the only one actually considering the system as a whole. The ones who think they can control the government better than a consumer base controls an industry are the ones with blinders on..
     
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    agree, I for one want the cable companies to leave us alone, if I buy 100 down, 20 up, that is what I should get, I should not be artificially slowed down cause they don't like the competition or whatever, give me what I paid for
     
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    and sounds like your admitting that is what repealing net neutrality allowed for the ISP's?
     
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    Like this is a new concept :) Pay Amazon a subscription and get free shipping, pay Verizon more money and get more minutes, pay your local fuel station more and you get a better fuel or pay Direct tv and dish network more and get more channels! Nothing to see here really just another excuse to piss and moan about the way of the world ;)
     
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  23. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How ridiculous is it to demand government prevent carriers from limiting free access to the entire public internet, but have no problem with carriers using government to limit your public access to other carriers?

    It's not on, is it?
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hey the ISP isn't providing us with the service we want. Let's get the government to control how access to the internet works!

    Why don't you just switch providers?

    Can't. They have a deal with the government to be the only game in town.

    Why don't you tell the government to knock it off?

    Can't. The providers own the government.

    So you're not in control of the government?

    Nope.

    But you want them to control your access to the internet?

    Yup.

    Good luck with that.
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I think Burger King's muckity mucks may be inadvertently projecting their less than ethical corporate culture onto the ISP industry.

    oh, and it's "you're" (you are), not "your" (connotes possession).

    you're (you are) welcome
     
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