Dismiss Notice
Thanks for being a member of our community. Please donate toward site expenses if you can.

Burger King's BRILLIANT New Ad Teaches Important Lesson

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by PT78, Jan 28, 2018.

Page 3 of 12
  1. roorooroo

    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 14, 2017
    Messages:
    2,815
    Likes Received:
    3,093
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You and Fangbeer are two of my favorite posters on this forum...

    What is it that limits the number of companies in your area? (honest question)

    What is the justification for this?(honest question)
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
    roorooroo, Jan 28, 2018
    #51
  2. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    10,697
    Likes Received:
    3,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The difference is you see the provider as the problem. I, on the other hand, see the regulation as the problem. Comcast wouldn’t have a monopoly if they weren’t colluding with the government in the first place. Without the monopoly, competition would solve the service problem. Instead of more government to solve a problem that government created, perhaps less government is the answer.
     
    Fangbeer, Jan 28, 2018
    #52
    MMC, Labouroflove and roorooroo like this.
  3. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    4,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't necessarily agree that it should be free but it should be reasonably priced which I believe it is. Well, depending on where you live which is again an issue with areas that only have one ISP.

    During a NN discussion a few weeks ago I was made aware that I am getting absolutely ripped off by what I pay for internet in comparison to what some others are paying in the US, mainly those in areas with multiple ISPs to drive competition and keep prices down. I'm paying more for my internet than the folks living in fiber optic cable areas who are getting literally 10x the speed that I am getting....Based on that alone by internet should be like 5 bucks a month for what I get in comparison. But there's only one ISP here so they can charge whatever they very well please and if I want internet then I can either accept it or go without.

    But I digress, I just don't believe it should be messed with. ISPs don't own the internet, they simply own the access points to it. Once you purchase access to the internet then it should be open in its full form and not able to be messed with by the ISP. Especially when it comes to sites that you have to pay for anyway.

    I'm a realist this is great for business and that's the problem. Rarely is something a good deal for business and also good for consumers. One of those usually has to give, and right now a free and open internet is good for consumers because it allows us to watch cable TV without having to buy cable anymore. Which is of course bad for cable providers who also tend to be your ISP as well who want their cable money back from you that you aren't paying them anymore because you are now using their internet to watch the cable that they used to be able to make you buy separately.
     
    Nightmare515, Jan 28, 2018
    #53
    DarkSkies and Antiduopolist like this.
  4. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Googling may help on the first query; as to the second, this pertains to the need for access to basic information/services.

    (And I was confused by your first sentence; Belch and Fangbeer are your faves?)
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #54
  5. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    10,697
    Likes Received:
    3,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why not? I’m not here to decide for people what they are willing to pay for a Pepsi, or determine the value of the speed at which a Pepsi is delivered. The point though, is that the net neutrality debate is not just about speed. It’s about propriety contracts with providers that effect that speed. Netflix and Comcast can team up to collude against Hulu in the same way that Burger King teams up with Coke to collude against Pepsi. The speed at which you can get a Pepsi at Burger King is ZERO no matter how much you want to pay.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
    Fangbeer, Jan 28, 2018
    #55
    Labouroflove likes this.
  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,195
    Likes Received:
    16,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is it's called the Public Library...
     
    garyd, Jan 28, 2018
    #56
  7. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    10,697
    Likes Received:
    3,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Limited by whom?
     
    Fangbeer, Jan 28, 2018
    #57
  8. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're dissecting the analogy in an obfuscatory fashion; this serves no legitimate purpose. :)
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #58
    DarkSkies likes this.
  9. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ...which may be miles away from someone without a car.
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #59
  10. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Internet access needs to be cheap/free for everyone.
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #60
  11. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,195
    Likes Received:
    16,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So feed the bus a buck.
     
    garyd, Jan 28, 2018
    #61
  12. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are lots of places where wifi is free.
     
    Belch, Jan 28, 2018
    #62
  13. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ...and not on a bus route...

    ...of a person on disability...

    :)
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #63
  14. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    See reply above.

    It should be free/cheap everywhere. :)
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #64
  15. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2011
    Messages:
    10,697
    Likes Received:
    3,729
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Translation: I’ve lost the plot.

    Net Netrality is not about Comcast limiting speed for no reason. Monopoly or no Comcast would be bankrupt in no time if that was their business model. That would obviously be stupid behavior on Comcast’s part. The reason they would limit speed is to procure money from preferred content providers. It’s business contracts with content providers that motivate ISPs to regulate traffic.

    Because of this, the Burger King analogy is not analogous. Do you have a problem with fast passes at Disney? Is it wrong for Disney to charge two different rates for faster access to their rides? Is it wrong for me to jump in front of you in line if I pay an extra 30 bucks on my ticket? That’s the exact same thing as the Burger King commercial.

    The coke Pepsi thing, however, is exactly analogous. If Burger King was the only fast food chain allowed in your town due to zoning regs, then coke products would be all you could order to drink, and Burger King would be free to institute a policy where they charge you a whole lot extra for a Pepsi product if you paid them enough.
     
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
    Fangbeer, Jan 28, 2018
    #65
  16. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you want free, go find a soup kitchen. If you want cheap, get the whopper that you have to wait 10 minutes for.

    You might not realize this, but internet providers hire people who have to do the same commute we all do to get to work so we can provide value to our customers. You want free? Then you'll have to provide it for yourself.
     
    Belch, Jan 28, 2018
    #66
  17. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Like government cheese? Government cheese, handed out in five pound blocks with other commodities, is always mild cheddar. What if I don't want mild cheddar?
     
    Labouroflove, Jan 28, 2018
    #67
    MMC likes this.
  18. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I concur; you're lost in irrelevant dissection.

    Net neurality is about many things.

    I do have a problem with Disney doing that, but again, it's irrelevant dissection/distraction/obfuscation.

    The internet should be neutral and free/very cheap for everyone.
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #68
    DarkSkies likes this.
  19. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2011
    Messages:
    11,139
    Likes Received:
    4,912
    Trophy Points:
    113
    True, but while I agree with capitalism I also understand a big "issue" with capitalism is that the capital system itself which is supposed to drive competition can also create corporations that are virtually untouchable.

    Lets be honest here, how is a company supposed to startup in an area where a company like Comcast or Spectrum is already there? Once a monopoly is in place it becomes pretty difficult to uproot them because by that time they have the money, power, and influence to pretty much ensure you can't get big enough to threaten them. And if you run that gauntlet and survive anyway they will more than likely just buy you out in the end. Which at the end of the day leaves the most important part of this equation, the consumer, in the same boat as before.

    I don't know, I'm all for small government but this is one of those cases where I agree that the regulation needed to stand. From a pure business perspective this was a smart choice, these businesses know what the internet is in todays day and age and they know just how reliant folks are on the internet for business and entertainment. They can do whatever they want to the internet and people WILL buy it, and they know it. So why not use folks near sacred reliance on the internet in the year 2018 to get more money out of them? The internet is still a luxury afterall, you don't NEED it, we just WANT it, and most folks will pay whatever ISPs want to gain access to it whether we like it or not.
     
    Nightmare515, Jan 28, 2018
    #69
  20. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,195
    Likes Received:
    16,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This burg has well less than a million people, It has a service specifically for the handicapped. So how much are you willing to pay to extend internet service out into the hinter lands of wyoming?
     
    garyd, Jan 28, 2018
    #70
  21. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ^ Racist against non-Vermont Cheddar.
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #71
  22. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Internet = free/cheap and neutral. :)
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #72
  23. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,195
    Likes Received:
    16,898
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ONly with the collusion of the government,,,
     
    garyd, Jan 28, 2018
    #73
  24. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2015
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    sorry, but we don't do free. Cheap is possible, but you'll have to put up with slower speeds.

    You really don't get the idea of capitalism, but that's nobody's problem but your own.
     
    Belch, Jan 28, 2018
    #74
  25. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2016
    Messages:
    24,354
    Likes Received:
    10,858
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Some good points, but internet access is now far more necessity than luxury.
     
    Antiduopolist, Jan 28, 2018
    #75
    DarkSkies likes this.
Page 3 of 12

Share This Page