California passes assisted suicide

While it is a sin there is no excuse for the government even to be involved. They should stay out of that and let God sort them out.

 

why is your first response to stereotype and slam christians... I know many atheist who think this is an awful thing, I also know many christians who think this is merciful... so that kinda leaves you being a demonizing person with your stereotypes... don't be so quick to judge or hate someone, just because you're angry at whatever it is that makes you this way... maybe get to know people outside your little box, instead of only agreeing with all the ones who sit comfy inside it peaking out the top every so often... should I believe every stereotype about gays, blacks, mexicans, fat people, women, or any other group in life? or should I look at individuals instead of stereotypes? practice what you preach, because some day what you preach will get turned onto you, and you won't like others practicing it...

if people want to off themselves because they're afraid of suffering, before they even actually suffer, hey they'll find a way without a law... but on the flip side, we shouldn't make it so easy that nobody ever suffers and might actually make it through... people always say this is only for those who are terminal and won't make it... you know the same people we pull the plug on in the hospital in comas... yet somehow, for some reason, people we gave up on, live through it, meaning we were wrong with our guess it was terminal, everything we understand says it should have been terminal, yet it wasn't, maybe we should put more focus on learning why instead of just finding ways to wash our guilt of giving up on them...

 

well what is a death panel... in my mind its the people who decide what care I am allowed to get under whatever insurance program I use... including medicare... and lets be honest, no insurance covers any and all care, there are limits to the extent to which they will go for people... despite some advances being available, not all insurances will cover these options, or they will steer you down other methods that are far cheaper despite being less successful... this is nothing new in the world of insurance or medical care... so there have always been death panels, in the private sector, and in the public sector... medicare denies some things that would work for some people... irregardless of if they want it or not, they don't cover it...

so to say there is no such thing as a death panel, okay okay I get it nobody likes it labeled that way, but they exist already, and politicians already control them, through appointee's rather than direct congressional votes... so perhaps we should change the label from death panel, to life panels... feel good about it, and then realize they still choose who lives and dies as a result of what extent of care is allowed?

whats my example for this? well... myself... my insurance wouldn't cover the treatment I finally received, medicare wouldn't either as I got worse and worse... lucky for me, a charity paid for me, and here I am, cured of what I was condemned to die from... who condemned me? certainly not me, I wanted to go through the suffering pain of the treatments, I was willing to risk death to take the risk of life...

a bureaucrat, in some comfy corner office, decided this care wasn't needed, likely successful, or required under law, and sentenced me to death, instead of a potential life... so don't tell me that death panels don't exist... they do...

P.S. don't even get me started on the death panels that are the VA... they've killed plenty of people by choice...

 

Good news from California. I'm all for it, for the reasons already mentioned by other posters.

 

Complete and to some degree criminal incompetence in the management of the VA. It's a shame too because there are many great caregivers there who must be heartbroken to see suffering resulting from delays.

Glad you are ok.

 

I would agree its criminal... sadly nobody will end up in jail... unless they are transferred from the VA medical clinic to a jail clinic, where for some reason they will provide better care to criminals than to heroes at the VA...

there are so many people in the VA, who passed up extremely and I mean extremely well paying contracts with private organizations, because they felt a duty to serve those who served us... they passed up on the money only to be thrust into this defunct organization that the good doctors end up leaving after years of frustration... we've got records to prove that... the VA has become a dumping ground of doctors who couldn't cut it in the private practices, so the public practice was their only safe bet to stay doctors... and even they are overwhelmed by the patients they must see daily... but in the private practices there would at least be some relief, and some measures put in place that are monitored like a hawk to prevent malpractice lawsuits... sadly this is lacking in the VA, because its so easy to screwup and coast by and make a meager medical living from hacks who couldn't hack it in the real world...

(I sound a little angry in there lol, might be due to my neighbor who has suffered for years through them, and finally was able to seek help outside and is doing much better as a result)

 

Anyone here see Million Dollar Baby?
Several years ago Teri Schiavo's spouse and parents disagreed when she was on life support and unable to communicate. The situation turned into a moral/religious crusade, a platform for gay marriage, a re-evaluation ofa lot of things... After years in court the spouse was declared the rightful party to choose. He said his wife wouldn't want to live that way. Her feeding tube was removed. It took nearly 2 weeks for dehydration to kill her. We are more humane to criminals given a death sentence.
Kevorkian was made a devil.
It's strange.

 

California doctors skittish about assisted suicide...

Lethal drugs unnerve California doctors
Sun, Jun 05, 2016 - Terry Petrovich asked her oncologist point blank: “Am I going to count on you to help me achieve a good death?”

 

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I think everyone should have the right to die. More importantly, everyone should have access to the same level of care we provide our pets when it comes to whether or not we want to die. Why should the only option be to die in a grisly or otherwise ungraceful way. This service should be available regardless of health of the person requesting it. The limitation being that it should only be for those who are suffering or are terminal is nothing more than an emotional appeal.

 

2 to 1: Americans, Majority of Christians Say Physician-Assisted Suicide is ‘Morally Acceptable’...

Survey: Two-Thirds of Americans, Majority of Christians Say Physician-Assisted Suicide is ‘Morally Acceptable’
December 8, 2016 | A recent survey by LifeWay Research reported that 67 percent of Americans believe it is morally acceptable for a terminally-ill patient to seek a doctor’s help in ending their life - including a majority who call themselves Christians.

 

It took her 2 weeks to die, because assisted suicide did not exist.
If you did do that, than you're probably be in jail for murder soon.


And it's all due to that Christian sharia law that outlaws suicide.
The system is just backward / evil. Not the victims of it.

 

I hope CA 'snowflakes' don't resort to this.

 

And in time the right to carry a gun will morph into the duty to carry a gun so we shouldn't allow concealed carry permits?

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Very cruel and very funny!

 

Rights are generally enforced by imposing duties on someone else. I do not support assisted suicide. If they want to sell morphine in the cafeteria vending machines so people can do it themselves, have at it, but nobody should be forced to perform the lethal death on them because they have some "right" that is being interfered with by not killing them.

 

I would imagine that nobody will be forced to kill people. If that does end up being the way it works, just use the 1st amendment religious get-out-of-what-you-don't-like card and tell em it's against your religious beliefs.

 

It is a slippery slope, since it will be used for financial reasons by the state. I believe it is in The Netherlands ...but I'm not sure.

As for wanting to take one's own life, well I'm a Christian, and the ultimate goal of any man should be to unite with God in His Kingdom/Dimension after death. If he doesn't he's going to end up in a void if nothing else.

When someone takes his own life... for whatever reason, then he's questioning God's existence. How can someone achieve heaven or anything else for that matter, when they are questioning its very existence? I mean a little logic here. This is why the Bible says The Kingdom of God is within us.

 

Oh well, Oregon's going to disappear with California I guess.


How's the depression rate going?

 

Exactly! So you won't be a burden on your family or State.

 

Personally I think it's a great idea because it's morally disgusting to let somebody live on when there's no hope for recovery..
For example I gave the doctors permission to switch off my 76-yr-old mother when she lay dying in hospital with thyroid complications some years ago.
She was in a coma and they said- "We can keep her alive with drugs for years but she'll never improve, so it might be best to let her slip quietly away".
I agreed, so they pulled the plug and she slipped peacefully away a day later.
If ever I'm in a similar "no-hope situation", I hope the doctors will pull the plug on me too.
As for the Bible, I like Jesus's observation that- "The spirit within gives life,the flesh alone is worthless" (John 6:63 ), so if a body is clapped out and useless it makes sense to me to free the soul and let it fly..

 

If that doesn't work on wedding cakes, I doubt it will work on assisted suicide.

 

If there is anything I wouldn't want it's the doctors messing around with my body, or burdening my family or the state if there is no chance for my recovery. I did sign a paper saying I didn't want life support, but that is different than taking ones own life and being given medication to die.

As for the religious aspect, I found in my own experiences that God takes people when they have attained a state of Grace... (or at least they have in my perception), and their situation is such that they are bound to fall out of it again.

This is why it's not up to a person to make that decision... nor is it up to their relatives or the state to make that decision. I mean you can't give a terminally ill cancer patient medication to die because then you're playing God ...but you can take away their life support since by keeping them alive with artificial means you again would be playing God.

Of course each situation differs.

 

Well it's already a law and Californian's are obliged to follow,
Euthanasia do have noble reason to curtail sufferings and further defended with hopelessness, factors that instigates mercy which is in religious terms should be acted upon through divine natural ways. It is somehow still our failure to address using the intellect that was given to eradicate pain and sufferings and just resorted towards that most comfortable way of ending it. Life should be precious and should be enjoyed and should never be lost untimely, I wish that someday we will have that advancement of technology when we will be quite certain that we could reverse this law in fairness with everyone.

 

Why does a doctor need to be involved?

 

I'm a firm believer in prayer. When my mother had a heart attack and her brain was deprived of oxygen, I didn't pray for her to live or die, but simply asked God to do what He knew was the best for her. She passed away three weeks later.