Can sexuality change over time?

Sure, rhe stereotypic "gay wrist" is a bit over-feminine, but women surely do have different body languange and gestures than men and women tend to have that "limb wrist" although not as exagerrated as some gays.

 

will because femininity to her is this elusive rubric that has no measurement or articulable definition, it's anyone's guess.

 

They're probably lots of women who think men doing the laundry is manly poor men cooking is manly. Women will just pick the traits they want men to have and say those are manly. On the transverse they picked traits men have and say those are feminine. It's really just manipulation to get a man to do what they want. I'd say a man that's difficult to manipulate is more manly.

 

Given that she seems to be on the kick of that it is the penis that makes the difference, then a Drag Queen should be attractive to her....at least based upon the logic.

 

The problem is that manly and masculine and feminine and all that are subjective values. They not only differ from individual to individual, but any collective thought about such values also change over time. At one point high heels were considered very manly as was the color pink.

 

well it depends on how you come up with the concept of masculine and feminine. Is masculinity based on men or are men based in masculinity? I happen to think the former. A number of factors contribute to the concept of masculinity. And it's focused first on the fact that the person is male. Cryselle thinks the other way. That's it kind of gender-fluid relativism that I find absurd. Masculinity doesn't make men menly. Men because their men make masculinity.

will they don't change much in a general 25 year period. It is a set of guidelines that we go by. Some of them never have changed and never will because their fundamental to the biology of men or women. Mannerisms and how you carry yourself (because that was super important to Chris) have more of a cultural context than anything else. Picking random things and assigning them two baby girls and baby boys is just a way to express that a child as a male or female then really isn't important. The baby doesn't care.

 

You can actually scan brains and thus measure what kind of effect female hormones have on the brain and/or how it differs from the male brain and you can also measure the amount of female hormones and note how that effects behaviour. Furthermore, you can observe female behaviour and attitudes on what constitutes "femininity" on a socio-cultural level.

So, femininity is very much measurable.

 

of course I'm just wondering which one is the cause and which one is the effect. Are female brains shaped differently because of the hormones, or are the hormones present because the brain shaped differently? I have to go with the former.

Well that depends on what femininity is. If it means biologically being female and all the secondary sexual characteristics involved. Yeah I agree with you.

But if it involves mannerisms in the way you carry yourself I don't.

 

That explains it. It's not completely horrifying to you.

 

I was waiting for you to pick up what I put down, there

 

No, it's many many years of practice and observation. We're talking about cultures who understand the mechanics of child 'shaping' far better than the we in the west do. These are people who can predict, with a high degree of accuracy, how their kids will turn out. These are people who know ... before their kids are born ... that said kids will do well at school, stay away from drugs/alcohol, be responsible, be kind, and have a good work ethic. I'm not sure how you could reasonably argue that such people are clueless primitives who are simply pandering to some antiquated more.

 

Story time! When I was growing up (late teens thru twenties), these are the kinds of boys I had as close friends. I was never a beard, and most definitely not a FH .. gay men sought out the company of the 'cool and pretty' girls, in those days. Anyway, I had two especially close gay friends - both stunningly beautiful and in high demand in the gay community, though they preferred the company of straight women. We'd do the whole getting dressed and made up for a big night out thing, like any other gang of girlies. They were great, loyal friends, though both horrifically vain .. when I stop to think about it. Footnote: one ended up telling me he was in love with me (via phone, but never did anything about it in the flesh thank god - not my type at all), and the other, after a long night on the dance floor, slammed me against an inner city wall at 3am and went in for the full snog.

 

Not moi. I added the diapers for texture.

I'm perfectly okay with a bloke who works hard (both in the office and on home maintenance), then puts his feet up indoors. He's earned that right. Having said that, if I did the same I'd expect him to support my right to put my feet up .. that would be an essential part of that package.

 

Not at all

 

In other words tradition.

No we are not. Psychology was discovered in the west by Western scholars. Who are the scholars from these other cultures? What we're their methods? What where their theories?

Explain their methods.

Simple, show me the science.

 

Well you aren't going with what is masculine. You're going with what you like. And just labelling that masculine because you like it.

 

Well, that depends.

But some females would and some male gays would feel the same way about him as you do. You should also bear in mind that he'd feel no attraction to you either. That often makes friendships easier in people with mixed sexualities.

I'm sure gays feel the same way about certain guys.

How would you feel though if he was basically the same person but with everything you wanted in a man? Masculine, good looking, with all the traits you personally admire but still 100% gay. Would you be happy being just friends in that instance?

That's a gross over-generalisation. I've seen men who were compulsive neat freaks and women who were complete slobs and it had nothing to do with their respective sexuality.

 

There are extremely strait males with masculine tendencies, physique, and mentality that are also sensitive, loving, tidy and mature...they do however tend toward more mature and attractive females and lock themselves into them in order to avoid the immature insanity of many females who work toward plying their wares in a failed attempt to bind them into their web. The gay man knows them far better than the immature little girl and generally avoids even an attempt at sexual capture while most females still make the attempt and are seen as rather pathetic for doing so.
These men are as rare as the goddess women they seek and are thus a commodity as are they....for these people, homosexuality is almost as important as naval lint.

 

So?

So?

I've never met such a "gay" man.

That was a joke. Lighten up.

 

I like masculine men. That is just the way it is. Most women do.

This really doesn't do much to answer my question about why some gay men (who allegedly like men - men usually stand for masculinity due to testosterone and other chemical balances), why would they want a man who acts as if he is a feminine woman?

 

Well, doctors have run tests on people who claim to be transgender and they have found no chemical imbalances in most of these people.

 

People DEFINITELY fake it. I used to know two girls who would go out and pretend they were lesbians for the attention. Lol!

 

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adjective

1. 1.
   having qualities or appearance traditionally associated with men, especially strength and aggressiveness.
   "he is outstandingly handsome and robust, very masculine"
   synonyms: virile, macho, manly, muscular, muscly, strong, strapping, well built, rugged, robust, brawny, heavily built, powerful, red-blooded, vigorous; More

 

I feel that most women (even the "feminists") prefer masculine men. It's a turn on sometimes, as long as it's not over the top, as in fighting, using foul language, acting like an arse. Some men get confused with what is masculine and what is just a rude jerk.

 

And if you were lesbian then you would most likely be attracted to masculine women. You prefer the traits that you associate with "masculine". It doesn't matter what traits others associate with that word. Really, the label applied to that group of traits that attracts you is irrelavant. You could call that group of traits "feminine" and still be attracted to it. A rose by any other name....

Your sexual orientation means that you are attracted to men. The traits you are attracted to are independent of your orientation.

That concept of what men stand for is yours and yours alone. While there are those who share concepts similar to yours, there are plenty who do not. Simply because someone has a different concept of a subjective value that you don't understand, it doesn't make their view wrong. You do understand what subjective means and how people have different views on subjective values right?