Capitol riots aftermath – to heal a badly divided nation we must do this

They were pushing for Pence to violate the Constitution. They repeatedly tried shredding millions of votes and ignore the Constitution to get their way. And, no, they had no evidence, as tired as you maybe of failing to provide it. Given the choice between licking Trump's boots and honoring the Constitution, they chose the boot.

 

Kind of failed to notice what was being achieved by Trump in spite of the unending vendetta of hate.
It's an exceptional list, that none in recent memory can match.

As for integrity, Trump has done something there too that is new- He didn't put on a phony front to hide the endless botching and failure to get things done that has been the standard for Washing politicians all your life. As JFK's father once advised him- "What you are doesn't matter in politics. What people think you are matters". In other words, the rubes known as citizens will vote for image, not substance or performance. Trump was transparent, never pretended to be flawless.

Joe's been selling himself as an image of integrity for 45 years- and at the same time, sold his influence a thousand times. Even Obama made a comment that you should :Never under estimate Joe's ability to FUCx things up".

Watch it happen. Joe's indebted to so many unscrupulous people that he's owned- and controlled; not "In charge". .
America is about to get screwed on an unprecedented scale. The constitution and all it stands for are under dedicated attack.
You seem to be applauding.

 

Well, I have to give Trump the "achievement" of getting elected: he conned enough gullible Americans to vote for him. When he achieved nothing, he got voted out and cried and cried and lied and lied. He also managed to create an insurrection. These are not achievements for which to strive.

Trump was more than "transparent" : he was vacant. He was a con-man who said "so what ? you can't catch me." Again, not something for which to strive.

 

Do you always miss so much of reality, or just chose to do so selectively?
Perhaps you are under the illusion that insulting people makes them look bad instead of making you look bad. You should give that some consideration.

 

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That is the bottom line here...

 

No he’s not but as long as impeachment is on the table there will be no unity efforts coming from us.

 

He emphatically is and has repeatedly proven it. As long as there Trump refuses to apologize for his assault on the Constitution and his attempts to shred it, and as long as his followers insist that any attempt to hold him to account are their line in the sand, then there can be no unity efforts from those who respect the Constitution. He's asked you to choose between him and the Constitution, and you've chosen him. You can have unity when you are able to actually love this country more than you love a wannabe dictator.

 

I think that is a good idea. And Biden can be respectful too. And vow to fix the problems in elections so this hopefully won't happen again. And, by the way, having Biden say the capitol police were racist isn't spreading unity.

 

You should consider taking your own advice.
My reality had the advantage of being rooted in fact as opposed to opinion.

 

So we disagree.

 

Yes, we disagree about Trump worship being more important than the Constitution. That's the whole point. Thanks for catching up.

 

If that were true, you would hardly be where you are at.

 

I doubt you'd be supporting anything that Biden or the Dems would do, impeachment or not. Trump already got impeached once, and that didn't cause the Dems to lose the election. I don't think a second impeachment will be harmful either. The hardcore Trump fans will never come back on board, no matter what.

 

Quantum, we know what Bidens intentions are- he's already made massively destructive promises to the various radicals. Trump is just a man, he always was a temporary figure. It's what people to and leave behind that determines their legacy- and our future. Trump certainly made things better than he found them, despite what you make feel about his personality. I expect Biden to leave things worse then you can imagine, and in ways that will be extremely difficult to correct or recover from.

If you can honestly look at all the crap the left has pulled, you have to realize that there is no integrity, no morality involved for them. These people are using the total abuse of the first amendment to silence opposition through censorship. It's rapidly progressing- and dangerously familiar, because those who have studied history or lived through it, and remember Joseph Goebbels. They are not working to improve the country- they are working to seize greater control through the manipulation of you and me. They are doing that by attacking the fundamental values of people, with the obvious goal of creating a nation of obedient sheep. The Trump supporters may not have Trump in the future- but they have the legacy and there will be a person like Trump in the future. Don't kid yourself- this isn't just political rancor. a kind of war has been declared on America by the people behind all this crap, you just don't know it yet.

 

Trump was emphatically anti-capitalism. I've repeatedly criticized Trump for his anti-capitalist positions, for which Trumpists like you have attacked me. You guys care about Trump worship; you don't give two shits about capitalism. They support "America First" in only the most blind/ignorant way that doesn't understand that trade is not a zero sum game (itself fundamentally an anti-capitalist stance), only kind-of 2A supporting, circumvented the Constitution to institute the biggest tax raise since the 90s, only liked "religious liberty" for Christians and hated it for Muslims, etc. etc.

Trump has always hated civil rights and always hated the Constitution. I can be civil to you. The problem is that you define your political position as being solely dependent on worshipping a Constitution-hating, wannabe-authoritarian idiot. I can be civil to you . . . just not to Trump worship. Try finding out what you stand for other than Trump worship. When this becomes difficult, ask yourself why.

 

I'd give you a thumbs down here, but this forum lacks that feature.

 

It’s what I believe and what I will do no matter what progressives think about it. Trump 2024, now needed more than ever before.

 

The riots are directly the result of a contesting an election that had ZERO evidence.
You never have to debate the evidence question. All of the courts and judges that had evidence brought before them said there is no evidence, but maybe 1 case.

 

The first thing that needs to happen is to have Trump go on national TV and tell his people to stop any further attacks on US institutions. If he wants to save lives and he cares in the slightest for his country, he will do that immediately.


I'm not holding my breath.

 

I say never. No Justice, No Peace.

 

I have to say I agree. All Trump did was stand in the way of the oligarchs. The government has been corrupt for a while now.

 

I disagree with your premise. There was lots of evidence. The courts didn't hear the evidence. They refused to hear the cases.

 

You are welcome.

 

Why did the OP leave out the following comments?

Perhaps the OP should have started out by admitting to being one of the "sinners" described above and asked for FORGIVENESS from those he has "sinned" against in all of his other threats BERATING and DISPARAGING those who did NOT support his CRIMINAL biggest LOSER*-in-Chief?

That "personal humility" would have been the right approach instead of DEMANDING immediate "support" for your architect of evil who INCITED the INSURRECTION attempt on the Capitol and then THREATENING that is MUST be NOW or NEVER!

/thread FAIL

 

I heard somebody call into a radio show and say I say blah blah blah during the count, is not evidence.

I am sure you've been asked dozens of times to post evidence. Why haven't you done so?