CDC admits the jabs made hospitalizations worse!

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  1. Kokomojojo

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    CDC inadvertently admits COVID jabs negative effectiveness for hospitalisation!

    Negative effectiveness is a huge topic within a topic when it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines. If the effectiveness of the jabs turns out to be less than 0%, negative, there is no possibility that the benefits outweigh the risks, because there wouldn’t be any benefits - what is supposed to be a benefit is itself a risk. The jabs would obviously be harmful. Case closed.

    We keep seeing evidence of this phenomenon over time, with more evidence indicating negative effectiveness regarding infections and deaths in the past few weeks.

    Now we have more evidence for negative effectiveness regarding hospitalisations, and from the CDC, no less.

    Slide 12 of a recent CDC presentation shows that for the most recent time period, January-May 2023, absolute vaccine effectiveness against COVID hospitalisation in immunocompetent adults is -8% for the monovalent doses; 29% for the bivalent booster dose, 7-89 days earlier; and -8% for the bivalent booster dose, 90-179 days earlier. Yet more evidence that, at this point in time, the vaccines are hardly helping, and are likely harming, before we even factor in the (other) adverse effects. And what happens beyond 179 days? Is it like many of the other studies we looked at in this ‘series’, where it looks like the jab just gets more and more negatively effective? And, once again, this evidence comes from the jab-loving CDC. Source.

    Okay then.

    Extra: And does this observational study account for the known statistical biases that can actually over-exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaccines, such as the case counting window bias? Seems unlikely; where is the data for 0-7 days earlier? And for those clinging desperately to the confidence intervals, or are somehow happy to see a figure like 29% effectiveness, because at least it is positive, though it is pathetically small and even turns negative within just a few months, should it even be this close to 0 (ineffective)? Given the known and unknown risks (including death via myocarditis), shouldn’t COVID vaccination be amazingly and obviously effective compared to doing nothing? Especially if you’re going to force it on people and demonise those who were clever enough - and possessed Djokovic levels of strength of will - to avoid the jabs?

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    I've posted the evidence many times on this forum from Canada through late 2022 where the government healthcare system keeps track of everyone who gets a covid shot and everyone who dies from covid.

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    The completely unvaccinated 15% of people over five did 47% of the dying from covid.

    The shots saved lives, especially amongst those who had more than one shot.
     
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    Thats odd, if that were true why are they being called in front of congress to explain their massive failure? More HERE



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    Did you forget to post the link?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Agency_of_Canada

    PHAC:

    On 24 May 2019, the Global Public Health Intelligence Network (GPHIN) of PHAC was completely disbanded and a "department edict that all such alerts had to be approved by senior managers" of PHAC was issued.[14] On 30 July 2020, the auditor general of Canada took notice of a Globe and Mail report in which whistleblowers had participated and launched an investigation into the scandal. The GPHIN had been part of Canada's contribution to the WHO, which described GPHIN as "a cornerstone" and "the foundation" of global early warning. In fact "approximately 20 per cent of the WHO's epidemiological intelligence" had come from GPHIN before it was silenced.[15]

    Disgrace of senior managers (2020)
    On September 18, 2020 while Parliament was prorogued, Tina Namiesniowski, who was then the President of the PHAC resigned 17 months into her five-year tenure, which had begun on May 6, 2019. Her resignation followed the resignation of Vice-President in charge of the pandemic early warning system and emergency stockpile who had resigned earlier in the week.[16] Iain Stewart was transferred from the National Research Council of Canada to head up the troubled division.[17]

    Disgrace of Chinese scientists (2019-2021)
    The PHAC controls and funds the National Microbiology Laboratory BSL4 lab at which Xiangguo Qiu and her husband Keding Cheng performed their research into dangerous infectious diseases like Ebola and the West Nile virus.[18] In July 2019 the Chinese nationals were fired from their non-salaried positions at the University of Winnipeg and "an unknown number of her [UW] students from China were removed from the lab on July 5" after the RCMP was called in May 2019 to investigate the curious affair of a trans-Pacific shipment of BSL4-grade viruses; at the time the PHAC was not identified by the CBC as other than an interested party[19] although her LinkedIn page does list her employer since 2003 as the PHAC.[20] In May 2021, it came to light that the PHAC had employed the pair until their dismissal in January 2021.[18] As of May 2021 the PHAC "has repeatedly declined to divulge to the House of Commons special committee on Canada-China relations" the reason for their dismissal, a situation which puzzles certain Parliamentarians because Parliament through their agent the Cabinet funds the PHAC. In the event of continued rebuff from the President of the PHAC, the Parliamentarians have already voted to send the issue to the House from which they were delegated. The President has legal advice from government solicitors in which he is advised against disclosure, but the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Foreign Affairs named Rob Oliphant broadcast his non-confidence in the legal advice of the government of which he is a member.[18][21] The Canadian Security Intelligence Service had "urged the removal of the security clearances" of the Chinese pair, the event of which brought the matter to public light in July 2019. Stewart said March 2021 that the January 2021 termination of the scientists was due to a "number of review processes" initiated by the PHAC in 2018, "relating to possible breaches of security protocols".[22]

    It later came to light that a soldier from the People's Liberation Army of China named Feihu Yan had worked at the NML, co-authored six scholarly papers with Qiu while s/he was employed by the Chinese Academy of Military Medical Sciences, and furthermore had been paid by the PHAC for parts of this five-year collaboration which began before "early 2016".[23] Qiu has co-authored at least eight publications with Yan.[24] A retired CSIS director observed that Canadian researchers are subject to stringent security checks and that this national security procedure somehow appeared to have been bypassed by the Chinese soldier.[23] Feihu participated in studies of Ebola, Lassa fever and Rift Valley fever.[23] As of June 2021, the CBC had informants inside the NML who had seen "the Chinese military scientist" Feihu "at the NML",[24]

    It was revealed in June 2021 that, during the initial RCMP investigation, "several computers had been seized, a lab log book was missing and Qiu's regular trips to China were suspended."[24] The CBC reporter was under the impression that two clearances are required to work at the NML: one under the HPTA and another "secret level clearance", but she does not disclose the name nor the controller of this latter clearance.[24]

    The CBC reported in June 2021 that they had seen government documents through the Access to Information Act that revealed Qiu to have been funded by a third-party not PHAC for her Chinese travels, of which there were "at least five trips" during 2017 and 2018. The identity of the funder had been redacted by government.[24]

    Qiu appears to have defected, since she has published 32 academic papers since she was escorted from the NML in July 2019,[24] although Qiu was on the payroll of PHAC until January 2021.[22] The CBC had actually asked Wang Wenbin of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (China) in June 2021 at his weekly press conference "if Qiu and Cheng were involved in espionage on behalf of the Chinese government."[24] Meanwhile the Trudeau government sent the matter to the NSICOP, which was created in 2017 by Justin Trudeau to review matters relating to national security or intelligence.[24]

    A former Crown prosecutor saw parallels to the 20th century Project Sidewinder, a joint RCMP-CSIS effort which found that "the Chinese government and Asian criminal gangs had been working together in drug smuggling, nuclear espionage and other criminal activities that constituted a threat to Canadian security", an inconvenient truth that the Chretien government wanted to silence.[24] Christian Leuprecht, an academic at the Royal Military College says this reveals larger security issues at the NML: "This would also explain why you haven't charged them, because once you charge them, then eventually you have to put people on trial. And when you put people on trial, then you have to disclose the evidence that you have. So the government might quite intentionally trying to keep this sort of relatively below the radar as much as it can," not to mention the fact that there is no facility in Canadian law which allows trial in absentia.[24]



    You didnt think any of that was important I suppose?
     
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    Japan's Ministry of Health certified 453 cases of deaths related to Covid vaccines in 3 years. Over the past 45 years, only 151 cases were certified as vaccine-related deaths in the country. The danger of Covid vaccines stands out compared to all conventional vaccines.

    Japan: 453 deaths certified to link to COVID Vaccine Side Effects


    Adverse Effects of COVID Vaccine Surpass Past 45 Years in 3 Years, Vaccine Issues Research Association Holds Press Conference at Japan Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare.

    https://medicaltrend.org/2024/02/22...tified-to-link-to-covid-vaccine-side-effects/
     
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    Canadian "experts" about what? Collecting and recording health data?
    I didn't "forget" because they aren't relevant to keeping track of who was vaccinated and how many PCR tested hospital patients died of covid.
    Not to this issue.

    It is, however, why Trudeau (if he runs) and the ruling Liberal Party should and almost certainly will be defeated in the next election in 2025.

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    Trudeau = Dead Man Walking.
     
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    Proof the OP is total crap!

    And dodged completely!
     
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    The vaccines saved lives and helped people stay out of the hospital.
     
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    The mortality rates prove you are wrong, unless they died without going to the hospital first.

    Now they are going to the hospital in droves from all the adverse effects of the clot shot.

    Industries|Health

    A Spike in Heart Disease Deaths Since Covid Is Puzzling Scientists

    Mortality data of the past four years show a wave of deadly cardiovascular and metabolic illness.


    Not only did the pandemic result in the most deaths in a century, but it also triggered a wave of deadly cardiovascular and metabolic illness. While cases like Dowd’s were known from the start, mortality data of the last four years are now revealing the scale of the impact.

    From 2020 to 2022, a quarter of a million more Americans over 35 years old succumbed to cardiovascular disease than predicted based on historical trends, according to Bloomberg analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In 2023, age-adjusted stroke mortality was almost 5% above pre-pandemic levels, according to preliminary data, while rates from deaths related to hypertensive heart disease, rhythm abnormalities, blood clots, diabetes and kidney failure were 15-28% higher.

    Covid had a muted impact on other common causes of death such as cancer and Alzheimer’s disease, the data show. <<<----[No longer true for cancer]

    “The cardiometabolic aftereffects of SARS-CoV-2 have been profound, persistent, and peculiar — really peculiar,” said cardiologist Susan Cheng, director of public health research at Cedars-Sinai’s Smidt Heart Institute in Los Angeles.Scientists are still trying to figure out why.


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    Taking note they now that the facts that were hidden from us are out in the public they changed to selling other stuff as the underlying cause of death, before it was all about covid causing death. The biggest part of other is the Jab shown in previous charts for those who understnad tham.
     
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    Noise!
    Facts ignored and dodged,
    The CDC stripped the mycarditus data from VAERS!
    You are using grossly manipulated charts.
    Now that they are busted admission of the fraud is slowly leaking out in the form of veiled retractions as shown.
     
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    You forgot because the agencies were busted and literally put out of business for corruption and fraud!
     
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    Correct you completely dodged his post. Myocarditis incidents were nearly all classified as mild with fast recovery. Nice diversion but you still dodged it!
     
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    You are still dodging the fact that more vaxd DIED than UNvaxd and promoting disinformation.

    You are also dodging the fact that they fraudulently deleted mycarditis data from VAERS to make deceive people into thinking the vax was working when in fact is was making them worse and killing them, even perfectly healthy people.
     
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    You might try backing up your claim.

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    You anti-vaxxers try and try...

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    More evidence that vaccine denialists have a hard time reading sources.
     
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    It's not a fact. The problem is your inability to read reports correctly.

    That is actually a complete fabrication. Myocarditis occurs in population at a specific level without any virus or vaccine. The number over and above the average baseline within a certain timeframe is deemed to be sufficient causation for consideration as a vaccine side-effect. Your statement about it making them worse is hogwash and the bit about killing is just made up crap!

    Adverse effects of Covid vaccines - Pulse Today
    "Rare cases of inflammation of the heart called myocarditis or pericarditis have been reported after Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines.
    These cases have been seen mostly in younger men within several days after vaccination.
    Most of these people recovered and felt better following rest and simple treatments."


    Myocarditis following COVID‐19 vaccine

    "Overall, among 18‐ to 29‐year olds in the US, an estimated 22.4 excess cases per million after the second dose of Pfizer‐BioNTech® and 31.2 cases per million second doses after Moderna® vaccine developed myocarditis."

    "Symptoms typically start within the first few days after administration of the second dose of a vaccine against SARS‐CoV‐2 43 (Table 4). Young males are at highest risk for developing myocarditis after COVID‐19 vaccination. 44 Symptoms are generally mild and non‐specific and include chest pain or pressure which may be respiratory‐dependent, shortness of breath, palpitations, malaise, general weakness and fatigue, as well as subfebrile to febrile temperatures. 45 On the other hand, some patients may be asymptomatic, 46 , 47 possibly those with limited pericardial involvement."

    "Most patients with vaccine‐related myocarditis and pericarditis develop mild disease without symptoms of heart failure or fatal arrhythmias."

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    Conclusions
    COVID‐19 vaccines are overall very safe. There is a low but consistent, tangible rate of post‐vaccination myocarditis and/or pericarditis identified in several national and international level studies. Whilst there can be no room for complacency, fortunately, the majority are mild and not associated with hospitalization or severe complications. This risk has to be balanced against the much greater risk of death, pulmonary, vascular, and cardiac complications by the SARS‐CoV‐2 virus itself. Overall, the risk/benefit ratio hugely remains in favour of vaccination for most classes of ages, especially in older adults. "

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    Then insurance analysts obviously have the same problem! :roflol:

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    Noise!

    US databases are completely manipulated, everyone knows it and all studies based on US data during the pandemic are 100% bunk.


    Pfizer To Rake In Trillions From Turbo Cancer Deaths, Insider Claims Turbo cancer is set to claim the lives of hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people in the next few years, according to a Pfizer insider [x-vice president] who warns that everybody vaccinated with mRNA is a walking, talking time bomb waiting to explode. But it gets even worse. The mRNA roll out is only in its infancy. The sick and twisted ghouls responsible for the massive spike in turbo cancers are now set to reap massive financial benefits by forcing the entire world to get vaccinated against the problem they caused in the first place. The globalist elite are using the pharmaceutical industry to carry out the greatest crime against humanity in history, and as usual they are determined to hide their wicked agenda in plain sight.


    X Vice president of Phizer tells the story what they pulled!
    But dont let that stop you from promoting disinformation.
     
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    A middle schooler with average intelligence and average analytical skills somewhere is laughing uncontrollably about how nonsensical this is and how daft someone would have to be to fall for these outrageously idiotic fallacies.
     
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    No. /thread
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    Anti-vaxxers attempt to create threads without any kind of critical thinking applied and then marvel when people don't fall for their bull ****.
     
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    Try a 30 year insurance statisics veteran LOL

    Oh yeh and it went before and was presented at a senate hearing!

    Nice FAIL on your meme
     
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    It wouldn't be the first time I've seen Trump supporters (and 99.99% chance this guy is a Trump supporter) just outright lie about statistics. And, oh no, not a senate hearing! Everything said in those is automatically true and not a lie and omniscient!
     
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    Oh sure now because your claim got blown out of the water now he is a trump supporting liar huh! :roflol:


    who does the CDC support? They deleted all the myocarditis data from VAERS after publishing it!
     
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    Lol, as adorable as that is, you haven't "blown" anything except this argument.
     
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    Blind unsupported denial, SSDD
     

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