Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Numbers seem clear here. We pay out far more in welfare to non citizens than the wall would cost to build. Deport the ones on welfare and use the money saved to build the wall

 

That amendment came from the refusal of southern democrats to make the freed slaves from the Civil War to grant them citizenship.

 

Yeah.. those people here are too lazy to leave and do not want to live outside the culture they've made here (like the best of Mexico with the benefits of the USA! They can layabout all day, drink beer, eat cabrito and chase each others wives!)

 

In fact, the illegal aliens in construction are great workers and are not laying up eating mexican food and drinking beer. Which is why american business will hire them, as they will work very hard for less pay than an american. So they can send money back to their poor families in mexico, where a dollar goes a long way in purchase power.

I speak of personal knowledge here, in regards to illegals in my neck of the woods. Illegals are hard workers, and will work for much less than americans who do not want to live 10 to a single bed cheap motel room and subsist on cans of beans, tortillas and hot sauce.

Trouble is, illegal labor depresses wages in particular sectors, meat processing and other factory work and construction. Jobs americans will do, if paid enough to live on, while few americans will do agri work, given that this change happened post ww2, when better jobs were available for americans as we made here what we consumed. So, we had programs in place to bring in seasonal workers from mexico to pick our fruit, legally, as well as mexican americans doing this, Which is why that mexican american labor guy, in Ca, a democrat, was against illegal immigration, of mexicans, for it depressed the wages of mexican americans in agriculture. This was back when the democratic party was the party of working and middle class americans, before clinton helped to destroy the party of the people, and joined the GOP so the dems could feed from the same slop buckets when it came to financing campaigns, given the unions were dying out, and they were not getting enough money from them anymore.

 

The Espionage Act - The Clintons.

 

Change Channels!

Illegal entry into America, IRS infractions and ID theft by illegals is rarely enforced.

 

I already said I wasn't adverse to jail time. You must have read that as me being opposed to it? Anyway, I've already answered the second part of your comment so I think this is just going to be one of those situations that you're not going to understand.

 

I agree that Indians are not under the full jurisdiction of the United States and their primary loyalty is to their tribal nation. But that is the situation that an illegal Guatemalan spawning on our soil finds herself in. She is a Guatemalan citizen who cannot vote (legally), cannot be called to jury duty, and cannot be drafted. Therefore she is not under the full jurisdiction of the US. Of course she must still drive within the speed limit, can't rob banks, or shoot people and follow our other laws (which she has already violated). But she is still not under our jurisdiction.

 

You do realize that non-citizen and illegal immigrant are not the same thing, yes?

 

Yes. What they have in common is an allegiance to something other than the US. Instead of using an illegal immigrant as an example, I might have used a Chinese woman here legally on a tourism birthing vacation.

 

Many liberals in denial in this thread. When you bring facts and statistics into the mix they either pass out from brain exhaustion or call you racist.

 

It also includes other visa and green card holders (who, of course, do actually have an allegiance to the US). And much of the costs listed here are 1) Actually costs incurred by citizens, since the numbers include the citizen children of non-citizens; they literally count any household with a noncitizen in it, whether the noncitizen is the source of the costs or not 2) Costs incurred from enforcement . . . which is a cost that Trump is trying to greatly increase and would include cost increases from the wall itself.

Also, I need to check, but if this is anything like previous "studies" of its ilk, it doesn't actually calculate net costs. The vast majority of economists, regardless of their political leanings (and most economists are fairly conservative), estimate that legal immigrants are a net boon for the economy, not a cost, and most actually say that the net economic effect of illegal immigration is either flat or positive. For the most part, they aren't even eligible for welfare.

There are no real economic justifications for cutting back on legal immigration and almost none for cutting back on illegal immigration. There are good security reasons for better addressing illegal immigration, however. Economics is just the wrong place to be looking.

 

If I get a visa to visit Thailand, I do not have an allegiance to Thailand. I assume the same applies to people obtaining a visa to visit the US. They remain citizens of a foreign country and are not subject to the full jurisdiction of the US. Japanese tourists to the Grand Canyon do not get called to jury duty in Phoenix.

And if illegals are not eligible for welfare, I guess we need to figure out how 63% of them get it? Maybe they just work harder at working the system than ordinary Americans?

 

The 63%, from what I gather, is any household with a non-citizen in it. That does not mean that 63% of non-citizens are on welfare, as I explained in my last post. And green card holders are legal permanent residents. They have an allegiance to the US.

 

Mid 90’s I was on a project where the concrete contractor, who was a Mexican, would call immigration on himself on payday. That’s some real cheap labor there.

 

They're the same to me.

Illegals aren't.

 

I do. I'm not sure why you're talking to.

 

And that number will only increase as the poor get poorer and the rich corrupt politicians get richer.

 

30% of all Doctors and Surgeons in the USA are foreign born immigrants,over 15,000 of them are from the 7 Muslim countries covered by Trumps no travel ban.Over 25% of all nurses and home health care aides are immigrants.We need them more than they need us.

 

And those who employ them can keep them on low wages because they fear being deported if they complain.
To reiterate hiring illegals only benefits those employers, at a great cost to the American people.

 

They may not be on welfare directly but via their anchor babies. Stop that and you stop welfare abuse.

 

Hurray for misleading statistics! great click bait headlines!

 

The “Washington Examiner” and “Fairus.org” ?

A tabloid and a group started by a white supremacist ?

You trumpettes keep lousy company. I think we can safely ignore this “study”.

Next thread.

 

Try hitting the wire button so people will know what you're talking about and to who. (Whom?)

 

Feel free to ignore anything you can't refute with facts.

Nobody put a gun to your head and make you comment.