China's oppression of Tibet

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  1. DennisTate

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    Unless a majority of the 24 major leaders of the CCP do feel that a massive devaluation of the USA dollar can be arranged?

    http://www.examiner.com/article/geo...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582
    "George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."

    If we compare the diplomatic and economic relationship between China and the USA to a game of chess……….. we Americans need to admit that we have NOT done the greatest job of keeping up a strong defense.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html
     
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    I do know this China study many countries (Singapore hk us Taiwan etc) economy policy for its own economy model. But this is different than helping china becoming number 2 economy. China economy is exported base the biggest contributor is US Hk is mainly a hub for China's goods. Singapore is neither a large import of Chinese good nor largest exporter to China. It's not even in top 10
     
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    Like I said your source on this claim where ccp directly involved in this riots to force Brit not given more democracy in hk.

    There are a lot hk still like/support ccp to this day. But not u right. So I'm pretty sure its those kind of ppl help ccp before. Now I'm not a supporter of ccp but I do think stability in China is best for China and hk even the world. China will have its political reform when majority of Chinese demand it and that can happen when most ppl want more than just materialistic living. In a sense if hk want democracy it need support from mainland Chinese without it, it's not gonna happen. Any protests is in vain and only cause economy hardships on hk citizens
     
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    When you refer to "political reform" what do you mean?
     
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    More free speech and Internet freedom, less corruption, better environment protection, etc. as Chinese become richer so does their demands. Currently they only care about better living conditions, but that's not enough in the future
     
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    I understand Chinese wanting a reduction of corruption because it is a form of injustice that violates traditional ideas of harmony. I also understand Chinese wanting a cleaner environment. That's a universal quality of life issue recognized around the world.

    Free political speech for subordinate individuals, and its derivative internet freedom, is not part of Chinese political theory. Is there an antecedent for this idea in Chinese history?
     
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    China was isolated through out history but today's world is global. Hk Taiwan all share same ancient history and culture as China but they all want political freedom. It's same for everyone. Ppl want food and shelter 1st. Once they have that they want more clean environment less corruption better freedom. These freedom can be civil, woman, or/and political freedoms etc
     
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    Understand that when the U.S. Dollar DEVALUATES.....it doesn't hurt people living in the U.S. as prices pretty much reamain the same.....but IT DOES HURT THOSE WHO EXPORT GOODS TO THE U.S....LIKE CHINA!!!

    The United States and Southern Canada are like this SELF CONTAINED TRADE ENTITY.....as you and I both know that all that CRAP that China Exports to the U.S. and Canada is just BUBBLE WRAPPED AND PLASTIC SEALED JUNK like Picture Hangers and Toys and Crap Stereo's....etc.

    Thus it lowers the Trade Deficit without having hardly any effect at all in the U.S. and Canada.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    China was not always isolated commercially. Silk and porcelain made China famous.

    China was not always isolated culturally. Journey to the West demonstrates this fact.

    Chinese political isolation was generally self-imposed as a result of assumed superiority. I guess that's why the Chinese used the characters 中國 to refer to Zhongguo. But China was at its best during the reign of the Yongle Emperor. He did not seek isolation.

    Today's world appears global, but previous attempts at globalization all ultimately failed. There is no reason to assume that the current attempt at globalization will be any different.

    Individual liberty is not the natural condition of man. It rises periodically in Western Civilization, but only temporarily like a chronic cough.

    Taiwan and Hong Kong have been influenced by the Americans of an earlier era. Their desire for individual liberty is a passing phase. The ideal of individual liberty isn't even as powerful in America as it once was.

    What is the worst thing in the world from a traditional Chinese perspective? Chaos. Confucianism was born in China, and is China's contribution to the realm of political theory. China will remain a Confucian society or it will break up as it has so often in the past.
     
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    Your diversity will turn out to be your greatest misery. If you can convince Ilana Mercer at her website with your characteristic illogical argument, I shall take my hat off to you. :smile:

    Following are excerpts from the article headlined "The Misery Of Diversity" at http://www.ilanamercer.com/TheMiseryOfDiversity.htm

    (Begin excerpts)
    When an academic discovers what ordinary mortals have known for eons, it’s called science. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam has found that diversity is not a strength, but a weakness; the greater the diversity in a community, the greater the distrust. Prof. Putnam’s five-year study was reported last year by the Financial Times, and is finally percolating down to others in the media and blogosphere.

    In diverse communities, Putnam observed, people “hunker down”: they withdraw, have fewer “friends and confidants,” distrust their neighbors regardless of the color of their skin, expect the worst from local leaders, volunteer and carpool less, give less to charity, and “agitate for social reform more,” with little hope of success. They also huddle in front of the television. Activism alternates with escapism, unhappiness with ennui.

    Trust was lowest in Los Angeles, ‘the most diverse human habitation in human history.’” Since this is all very perplexing to the “progressive” Putnam, who hangs out at Harvard, allow me to save the good professor from another future shock. People are doing more than hunkering down in these unhappy habitations; they are fleeing. In 1995, the New York Times mocked the findings of William H. Frey and Jonathan Tilove, authors of “Immigrants in, Native Whites Out.” These demographers noted that as states stretching from California to Texas were swamped by Third World immigrants, the historic population began leaving. At least those who did not reside in $16.5 million mansions, in the exclusive Pacific Heights. At its most elevated, the NYT discounted the findings with the aid of the correlation-is-not-causation claim. At its most debased, the newspaper called those who tracked the trend xenophobes.......

    Writing for City Journal about the sad settings Putnam excavated statistically, John Leo also introduces an error: “Social psychologists have long favored the optimistic hypothesis that contact between different ethnic and racial groups increases tolerance….” Putnam said nothing about intolerance. If anything, he makes it abundantly clear that he found no evidence of “bad race relations, or ethnically defined group hostility.” Rather, diversity generates withdrawal and isolation. The thousands surveyed were not intolerant, bigoted, or even hostile; they were merely miserable. This is mass depression, the kind that stems from loss, resignation, and hopelessness.....

    To sum, a scientist-cum-policy wonk “uncovers” patterns of co-existence among human beings that are as old as the hills. Greater diversity equals more misery. Does he respect these age-old peaceful preferences? No. Instead, with all the sympathy of a social planner, he reaffirms the glories of forced integration, and recommends dismantling old identities and constructing new, “shared” ones. (Or else!)

    Putnam also pelts us with utilitarian platitudes. Evidently, the ethnic engineering historic populations have suffered at the hands of soviet-style planners dwarfs compared to the long term benefits of mass, Third-World immigration. The many thousands of miserable individuals Putnam interviewed must soldier on, their pursuit of happiness sacrificed for the collective gains of cheap Tyson chicken and colorful cuisine. (End excerpts)
     
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    I was talking about Models.

    Of course the U.S. is the Largest Importer of Chinese Products.

    This gives the U.S. ENORMOUS ECONOMIC POWER AND CONTROL OVER CHINA!!!

    Nothing we imort from China has any Strategic or Tactical Value as it is all Walmat Junk!

    China needs U.S. Oil, LNG and China purchases HUGE AMOUNTS of U.S. Coal as the U.S. not only has the largest Coal Reserves it is also the worlds largest exporter of Coal and the worlds largest exporter of Shale Oil.

    AboveAlpha

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    The U.S. is the most Diverse Large Population Nation on the Planet.

    But we are all American's.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    After reading your trash, one has to wonder why everyone, except AboveGod, in America is so stupid. One also has to wonder why Obama and his team (including Foreign Secretary of State John Kerry) have never thought of such fantastic plan like you. In one way or another, it also reveals the defects of the US democratic system which shuts the door of the White House to such geniuses as AboveGod but opens it to fools, clowns and jokers.

    P.S. I wish our smart aleck AboveGod can run in the coming US presidential election. If not, it would be definitely not only a big loss for America but also the world. During your election campaigns, you can let all your rubbish spill out from your stomach through your mouth! :smile:
     
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    Have you convinced Ilana Mercer with your trash?
     
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    It appears from your post that Americans like you buy a lot of trash. How intelligent you are!

    P.S. Suddenly an idea comes into my mind that I can become rich by selling trash to people like you. :smile:
     
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    I can't tell if your being sarchastic or not?

    I have been over there.....neither side want's peace.

    There is no money in peace.

    Cut off all aid....you will see peace!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    You know.....it's never a good idea to get overly personal with someone on a forum who you know nothing about.

    Just some very smart advice.

    I tollerate you because I find you funny.

    But you really would not want to make me no longer think you are funny.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Actually China exports a lot item that didn't goto shelf of Walmart these include most electronic machines automotive parts etc etc. China is depends on us but we also depends on China
     
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    Chinese-Americans believe strongly in diversity as long as diversity is limited to white people.
     
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    How come nobody in America, except you, knows that money makes the world go round?

    It will definitely be a big loss for America if you don't run for the next US presidential election! :smile:
     
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    Time to prove your theory work!

    "Cut off all aid....you will see peace!" :smile:
     
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    Well said. Let's see any response from AboveGod.
     
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    The whole Idea on how to both Westernize China and at the same time develop good relations with a Nation who's Soldier's we were killing in so great numbers that an accurate estimate of just how many Million Red Chinese Soldiers died in defense of North Korea.

    When the United States was just finishing up the conquest of North Korea MILLIONS OF POORLY EQUIPPED AND POORLY TRAINED RED CHINESE SPILLED OVER THE BOARDER!!!

    There were so many that even though U.S. Forces were killings them by the 100's of Thousands.....THE CHINESE KEPT COMING!!!

    Many in my Family were in the Korean War and two of my Great Uncles one a Gunny Sargent Marine....well s the U.S. Marines were BATTLE HARDENED from WWII....we knew what we were doing so we would set up INTERLOCKING FIELDS OF FIRE with 30 Cals, 50Cals, Mortors, Artillary.....Air Force Bombers.....and the North Korean's and Red Chinese who were Maist Brainwashed....WOULD JUST CHARGE RIGHT INTO THESE INTERLOCKING FIELDS OF FIRE!!!

    We killed so many of them my Uncles told he HORROR STORIES of Red Chinese and North Korean Leaders ORDERING THEIR RESERVE FORCES TO CLIMB OVER 25 TO 40 FOOT HIGH PILES OF THEIR OWN DEAD ALONG 5 TO 10 MILE LONG FRONTS!!!

    AND STILL THEY KEPT COMING!!!

    It got to a point where even as good as U.S. Marine and Army Resupply for Ammo is....what would happen is the Mortors, Gun and Riffle Barrels and Artillary Barrels would get so hot from firing so many rounds over so long some would crack or seize.

    So U.S. Troops would attempt to cool them down with water and in many cases Urine!!!

    So many Chinese died....it is considered BAD FORM to ask such questions as the numbers are in the Millions.

    Now day's China see's North Korea and it's Leader for what they are.....CRAZY AND A LIABILITY!!!

    But it was U.S. PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON....with Henry Kissingers advice....that devised a super long term plan by the U.S. THAT WORKED!!!

    The United States never had any desire to take over China or Invade China.....we wanted China as a BUFFER TO THE SOVIET UNION!!!

    We also wanted to slowly help China by first going there as a U.S. President visiting China and it wasn't even recognized as the REAL CHINA!!! TAIWAN WAS!!!

    But for a U.S. President to visit Red China back then was HUGE for Chinese Leadership!!!

    The U.S. already had stationed The Flying Tigers to fight the Japanese from China prior to the U.S. Entering WWII and it was China that attempted to hide the Doolittle Carrier Launched Strike Force that BOMBED MAINLAND JAPAN soon after Pearl Harbor.

    So....the U.S. began to develop the ONE CHINA POLICY.....and alloed China to export greater amounts of Products than the U.S. Exported to China.

    The purpose for this was to help build the super poor Chinese Economy and when people have jobs they spend Money so we provided AMERICANA......AMERICAN CULTURE which is GLOBALLY PERVASIVE!!!

    In a matter of a few deades.....as bits of AMERICANA.....from Pepsi to Cocacola to KFC.....Music, Art, Movies...etc.....and as China made more and more money making items that the United States no longer had Citizens interested in working assembly line Jobs....China became the Exporter of things that are mostly found at WALMART....but NOTHING STRATEGIC OR MILITARILY TACTICAL.

    The U.S. in return is the #1 Exorter of Coal to China.....#1 Importer of Chinese Products.....U.S. will soon become the #1 Exporter of Shale Oil to China.....the U.S. is BY FAR THE LARGEST MANUFACTURING NATON ON PLANET EARTH.....but what the U.S. Manufactures are HIGH TECHNOLOHY ITEMS.

    The U.S. also exports massive amounts of Food and the U.S. Food, Medical, Mousquito Nets and Immunizations are stated by the U.N. Poverty and Health Commision as being responsible for keeping over 1
     
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    The whole Idea on how to both Westernize China and at the same time develop good relations with a Nation who's Soldier's we were killing in so great numbers that an accurate estimate of just how many Million Red Chinese Soldiers died in defense of North Korea.

    When the United States was just finishing up the conquest of North Korea MILLIONS OF POORLY EQUIPPED AND POORLY TRAINED RED CHINESE SPILLED OVER THE BOARDER!!!

    There were so many that even though U.S. Forces were killings them by the 100's of Thousands.....THE CHINESE KEPT COMING!!!

    Many in my Family were in the Korean War and two of my Great Uncles one a Gunny Sargent Marine....well s the U.S. Marines were BATTLE HARDENED from WWII....we knew what we were doing so we would set up INTERLOCKING FIELDS OF FIRE with 30 Cals, 50Cals, Mortors, Artillary.....Air Force Bombers.....and the North Korean's and Red Chinese who were Maist Brainwashed....WOULD JUST CHARGE RIGHT INTO THESE INTERLOCKING FIELDS OF FIRE!!!

    We killed so many of them my Uncles told he HORROR STORIES of Red Chinese and North Korean Leaders ORDERING THEIR RESERVE FORCES TO CLIMB OVER 25 TO 40 FOOT HIGH PILES OF THEIR OWN DEAD ALONG 5 TO 10 MILE LONG FRONTS!!!

    AND STILL THEY KEPT COMING!!!

    It got to a point where even as good as U.S. Marine and Army Resupply for Ammo is....what would happen is the Mortors, Gun and Riffle Barrels and Artillary Barrels would get so hot from firing so many rounds over so long some would crack or seize.

    So U.S. Troops would attempt to cool them down with water and in many cases Urine!!!

    So many Chinese died....it is considered BAD FORM to ask such questions as the numbers are in the Millions.

    Now day's China see's North Korea and it's Leader for what they are.....CRAZY AND A LIABILITY!!!

    But it was U.S. PRESIDENT RICHARD NIXON....with Henry Kissingers advice....that devised a super long term plan by the U.S. THAT WORKED!!!

    The United States never had any desire to take over China or Invade China.....we wanted China as a BUFFER TO THE SOVIET UNION!!!

    We also wanted to slowly help China by first going there as a U.S. President visiting China and it wasn't even recognized as the REAL CHINA!!! TAIWAN WAS!!!

    But for a U.S. President to visit Red China back then was HUGE for Chinese Leadership!!!

    The U.S. already had stationed The Flying Tigers to fight the Japanese from China prior to the U.S. Entering WWII and it was China that attempted to hide the Doolittle Carrier Launched Strike Force that BOMBED MAINLAND JAPAN soon after Pearl Harbor.

    So....the U.S. began to develop the ONE CHINA POLICY.....and alloed China to export greater amounts of Products than the U.S. Exported to China.

    The purpose for this was to help build the super poor Chinese Economy and when people have jobs they spend Money so we provided AMERICANA......AMERICAN CULTURE which is GLOBALLY PERVASIVE!!!

    In a matter of a few deades.....as bits of AMERICANA.....from Pepsi to Cocacola to KFC.....Music, Art, Movies...etc.....and as China made more and more money making items that the United States no longer had Citizens interested in working assembly line Jobs....China became the Exporter of things that are mostly found at WALMART....but NOTHING STRATEGIC OR MILITARILY TACTICAL.

    The U.S. in return is the #1 Exorter of Coal to China.....#1 Importer of Chinese Products.....U.S. will soon become the #1 Exporter of Shale Oil to China.....the U.S. is BY FAR THE LARGEST MANUFACTURING NATON ON PLANET EARTH.....but what the U.S. Manufactures are HIGH TECHNOLOHY ITEMS.

    The U.S. also exports massive amounts of Food and the U.S. Food, Medical, Mousquito Nets and Immunizations are stated by the U.N. Poverty and Health Commision as being responsible for keeping over 1 BILLION PEOPLE ALIVE ANUALLY!!!

    Right now....as the Girls texted my Sarelite Phone.....Gasoline in my hometown is only $1.89 a Gallon.

    The ECONOMIC BOOM THAT IS BEGINNING IN THE UNITED STATES WILL BE THE LARGEST IN HISTORY!!!

    As North America is now estimated to have 6.1 Times more Oil thanthe entire Middle Eastern Oil Reserves.....as it just took the U.S. and Canada decades to figure out the Technology to quickly and cheaply extract Oil from Shale and Sand Tar.....CHINA WILL SOON BECOME THE U.S. AND CANADA'S LARGEST OIL AND LNG AND CHINA IS ALREADY THE #1 IMPORTER OF U.S COAL!!!

    China signed a few small deals with Russia....but China is NOT STUPID!!!

    China will not waste money and time attempting to develop Super Cold Weather Russian Siberian Infrastructure along the lines of $ 1.7 trillion dollars.....BEFORE CHINA COULD EVEN BEGIN TO START DRILLING FOR SIBERIAN OIL AND NATURAL GAS!!!!

    Plus China does not have any experience in doing this...only 2 Nations have such Super Cold Weather Infrastructure Development and Drilling and Slant Drilling Technology.....those 2 nations being THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA!!!

    China can simply send Oil Tankers to the U.S. West Coast or Alska and fill up buying American and Canadian Oil at about $50 a Barrel or less!!!

    Meanwhile.....Russia made China sign a deal that not only does China have to pay Russian's to develop Oil Fields and Natural Gas Fields and Drill....but as well China must pay Russia at least $122 a Barrel of Oil!!!

    Plus as the American Economy BOOMS as it is estimated to expand from it's $17.7 Trilllion GDP in 2014 to $24.3 Trillion by 2020 and estimated at $26.9 Trilion by 2023....as 2023 is A VERY SPECIAL YEAR FOR BOTH CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES!!!

    2023 is the year CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES BECOME 100% COMPLETELY ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT!!!!

    The U.S. and Canada will get all it's Oil and Natural Gas and Electric Needs FROM THEMSELVES!!!

    I CAN'T WAIT!!!

    To see the faces on some Saudi Princes as we say.....BYE!!! YOUR ON YOUR OWN!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Well...even though I am nt Military I basically grew up on one of the Largest SAC Bases in the U.S....and it is so large as all it's Runways would have large numbers of B-52's all loaded up with Thermonuclear Warheads waiting to fly over the Arctic.....it's so large a base it was listed as an ALTERNATE LANDING BASE FOR THE SPACE SHUTTLE!!!

    My Mom....being..."CIVILIAN"...like I am....was the Civilian Liaison between the General who ran this massive SAC Base and the U.S. Seretary of Defense and the President as our Military might posses Nukes....but it is us..."CIVILIANS".....that control them....count them...and make certain they are safe!!

    Growing up on that Base....and I was the ONLY KID ALLOWED ON THE TARMAC...as the General Loved me like an Uncle as he would put me on his chair atop pillows with his Hat On and have me holding the RED PHONE!!!

    And he would take Pics of me and my Mom like that!!!

    And YES...the RED PHONE is what you think it is!! LOL!!!

    Point is....I knew everyone who worked and served at the base whether they were Pilots or tail Gunners or Bomb Loaders or Bomberdiers or Cryptogrphers or Navigators or Mechanics...etc....I KNEW THEM ALL!!!

    And this Black Master Sargent RAN THE WHLE SHOW!! His name was Larry and no one gave him LIP!! NO ONE!!

    But it did not matter if you were white or black or Puerto Rican and we had a guy who's parents moved to the U.S. from India and he was born in the U.S. thus and American....and we had Germans and Polish and Irish and African American's and Portuguese and Indian, Arabs, Jews, French, British, American Indian, Dutch, Coasta Rican, Guam, American Samoan....etc...etc...etc.

    EVERONE GOT ALONG!!!!

    And our DIVERSITY WAS OUR GREATEST STRENGTH because each one of those guy's knew they were counted on to get the job done if a real Nuke War started!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I personally would rather be Dennis Tate..... than sit in the position of total responsibility that the fundamental or nearly fundamental energy Creator is in charge of!

    This life as a human is wonderful.......... it is like a vacation in comparison to knowing about every sparrow that falls........... and being aware of the number of hairs on YOUR head!

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