Contradictions in atheism

The number may be true for US only, but worldwide?

It's not there. That's why I asked.

It's not there. That's why I asked.

 

The contradiction is from religion - religious folks choose one god without evidence and renounce other gods by the same lack of evidence.

The only way atheism can be contradictory is if the individual accepts one or more theistic claims, but based on that criteria the individual would no longer be an atheist. Hence, there's no such thing as "contradiction in atheism."

This thread is pure flamebait, and an argument from ignorance.

 

And this, somehow, is a contradiction in atheism? lol
How so?

So, people who want to bring peace to the world are not allowed to collect "rants about religion", this would be a "contradiction"? lol
Again, what does this nonsense got to do with atheism?

Which "uncontrovertable proof"?
Is this also supposed to be a contradiction in atheism? lol

Hmm..., maybe I should get hold of the book where the 10 commandments of atheism are laid out, I haven't seen it yet.
I falsely assumed not believing in gods is enough to become a member of the atheist faith in nothing...

Yet you are doing exactly, with unsurpassed vigour and stamina, what you ostensibly contempt.

 

And how does simply bashing religion help achieve that? You are suddenly and expert on war, it being my profession, I would be fascinated in seeing ho wdisplaying utter contempt of religion would garner greater peace?

After all in Iraq and Afghanistan, those who made such displays seeme dto stock the conflict itself and exposed both themselves, their soldiers, and teh civilian population to escalating violence - and seemed to do very little to turn anything into something good.

Utter contempt rare does.

I do not believe there is any distinction being made in the concern of 'spirituality' being an indicator of ability to deal with combat. Offensive or defensive is irelevant. Killing is killing.

Sure. If the education is about finance, engineering, science, construction, management, and MUTUAL RESPECT.

How is pulling select quotations from religion helpful? How is it helpful to focus only on Mohammed's quotes about violence in Muslim country? Rather than acknowledge his many overtures for peace? How does harping on Deuteronomy, and ignoring Jesus entirely, promote education rather than contempt and vilolence?

It doesn't.

That has no bearing on anything, other than cats.

Why should we respect your views. You cannot prove beyond a doubt that there is no God. You looked out a awide and largely unexplored universe, and, for emotional and logical reasons, chose to see nothing.

Yet you think someone with a different opinion deserves ONLY contempt because, even though you have no evidence at all, you hate them utterly for daring to disgaree with you?

Why is respect required? Odd that an atheist adherent of logic and morality would need to ask this question. Not surprising to those of us who have interacted with them though.

I do not like MOST ofthe atheists on this forum because they are dismissive, contemptous, arrogant, inciteful, dictatorial about my faith, aggressive, belittling, and seem to have no other care then knocking other people down with a series of ever changing standards.

Like claiming they hate contradictions, and yet excusing the contradictions of atheism at the dope of a hate.

Like claiming to hate things being unevidenced, and claiming their belief in no God is the ONLY possible conclusion (with no evidence) and that ALL others are merely superstition.

To demand respect for you unevidenced position, while condemning others.

THAT is why I do not like a great many atheists.

Not all are ike this, but getting to the one who are not like this is difficult and the conversations are too often drowned out by those who routinely display little but contempt and insult.

THAT is what I take issue with.

 

No, You are not allowed to collect money to ostensibly fund humanistic out reach in India, and instead fund anti-religious rants. That is called fraud.

You are not allowed to condemn someone else's actions with this standard, and go to such great lengths to avoid applying these standards to your co-religionists.

You are not allowed to continuously claim the foulness of making the other poster, even when they clearly don;t know what the hell they are talking about, the subject of a post - and then turn around and make a poster you disagree with the subject of post.

You are not above reproach when behaving like this.

Like I said, for far too many atheists, the only thing atheism is the chameleon of ever changing standards to excuse themselves and judge others as lesser than yourself.

Which, quite obviously, you are doing with unsurpassed vigor and stamina, attacking even the smallest contradiction in one thread, excusing it by any means necessary in another.

Yet the problem is actually found in those who see and dare to acknoweldge you, and others, who routinely do this. Right.

 

lols, there is not the slightest interest of an honest discussion of the contradictions in the OP nor the other posts you authored in this thread to be evidenced.
Perhaps you need to adopt a different tone and also make a habit of acknowledging and considering what others say, if you want 'honest discussion'.

"'spirituality' in the health of our combat veternas" - lols, first time this is being mentioned now, is this what irks you so much?

Just pointing out that I am not a follower of Gora, neither is Triffi nor any other atheist on this site as far as I know.
Are you capable of comprehending this?
Are you?

You have not pointed out any contradictions in my co-religionists.
Btw, atheists are not my "co-religionists".

Welcome, but it all went over your head, again - but by now, nobody expects anything else.

 

Religion encouraged wars often enough.

Less religion and more reason can lead too less war and more peace in the long run.

What? Iraq and Afghanistan was mainly between religious people, Muslims on one side, Bible idiots on the other side.

No, defensive fighting is justified. If a bunch of Yank thugs tries to invade a country, defensive fighting helps. If enough Yank thugs get killed, they will think twice before starting another aggression. Or there simply are not enough Yank thugs left one day.

You are a teacher now?

Other superstitious people could disagree.

It's not about who writes the most words here.

Persecuted Christians are martyrs and go to paradise. Except they killed people in wars.

 

That's completely different from what you presented earlier.
Have a look at your own words again.

lol, what "standard" are you referring to now?

And perhaps you are mistaking this forum for the army barracks where you can order your inferiors around while you hurl abuse at them. That doesn't work here.

This makes little grammatical sense, but I agree with the last part - isn't this what you do all the time, and why posters have placed you on ignore?

Actually, there is an example right here, isn't this what you are "not allowed" to do:

 

Right, because everyone but YOU is incapable of understanding what is written.

THAT is what bothers me. The utter inane hypocrisy and double standard.

You are quick to whine and cry when someone insults, even so much as huffs in your direction, but cannot seem to engage in a conversation without attacking someone else.

And like everything else, you are concerned ONLY with attacking and belittling others. The contradictions in YOUR behavior, in YOUR beliefs, all pale in comparison to the apparent contradiction of a small people trapped at the corss roads of empires needing to defend itself.

And when that context was introduced, that need for violence, you quibble and exonerate yourself while attacking others.

Just as people havig adjust ment issues after combat is merely a tool of attack for you.

Some of us have been to combat. We have friends and family members, those we are entrusted with, who performed honorably but come home troubled by the reality of killing.

Do you have compassion? None.

All you care about is attacking another, with any tool available. And such tactics tell us much about those whose use them with such utter contempt.

That is why I have so little respect for atheists. Who behave like this and think it is logical and compassionate. It isn't, it is disgraceful.

But those who have no opinions, who care about nothing, and wish only to attack those who do - this is obviously a difficult concept to grasp.

Those incapable of compassion probably do not understand why it is good and necessary, a point you have adaquately proven as you excuse contradiction in your faith - by attacking others with a strawman and deploreable insult against those who serve honorably. To those who seek to actually help their fellow man. To those who actually work in kitchens and to provide jobs ane welfare for their fellow man. To those working to administer medicine to those most in need.

In short, those who do rather than whine like you.

 

Pick up your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing skirts (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

WTF is wrong with you? Does the term strawman mean anything to you?

You will twist anything into an insult. You condemn for the ignore list? Aren't I an incorporeal on yours? And yet here you are banging away with one strwman after another.

The OP is pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clear, and when someone sites the teaching of Gora, and points to what the fund rasing in ACTUALLY producing - which is not in accordance with the teachings of Gora ....

Only a someone totally lacking in intelligence or honor would attempt to claim that this was not what was being claimed earlier - and I notice that you didn;t even bother to source.

You have lost. And hurt that your actions are exposed you strike out, no doubt to report the 'insult' that follows the deliberate flame.

THIS is why so many have YOU on ignore. A few of us are merely trying to get you to continually display your wares so teh mods can see through the sheen of excuses you use to hide your flame behind.

The callowness of those without honor.

Flame away and report away.

 

You have not gone back and reassessed your own words, have you? Much easier to hurl insults which won't even pass the obscenity filter and accuse others of 'flaming'. lol, what a joke...

Strawman? Have a look what it actually means.
What I was referring to, is...
This:
"Similarly, if you are raising funds to administer to the poor, as Gora is, then building a soup kitchen would help in that goal. COllecting rants about religion does not help eliminate any aspect of poverty I have ever encountered."
turned into that:
"No, You are not allowed to collect money to ostensibly fund humanistic out reach in India, and instead fund anti-religious rants. That is called fraud."

What is wrong with you?

 

Where is the contradiction Stroll?

Gora has a charity in India and DOES humanistic outreach programs

He is one of the few atheists I actually respect.

However, the site does NOT FUND those programs, it funds anti-religious rants and de-converstion stories. There is not a single soup kitchen started from the funds on that site. Merely a link to it, so you can donate to that site. So where is that sites soup kitchen? It is not there, it is merely ranting about religion - under the philosphy of humanistic outreach.

SO what is the contradiction?

ANOTHER minutia based attack about needle dicking word choice to attempt to create a strawman of contradiction where there is none.

You said the same thin in two different manners.

UNable to explain it - attack the person noticeing it. Atheism has NO contradictions.

Atheism is action folks!

 

The first one does not mention anything about funding "anti-religious rants".
That's not minutia, but a different meaning and comparison.

You posted two different scenarios with different arguments, and even after called on it, with the actual quotes, deny and somehow turn it into yet another rant about atheists.

Would it really hurt too much to show a little, just a tiny little smidgeon of intellectual honesty and evidence that there is any interest at all in "honest discussion" there?

Ot does it all just serve as a hook to hurl invectives at whoever sets foot in this thread?

 

No, it certainly does not say what it says in plain English.

Sophistry, hypocrisy, and delusion at its finest. Strawmen in action.

And my intent is obviously quite clear and spelled out: to confront the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s of atheism who insist on attacking others over minor contradictions (even the one that libelously manufacture) but excuse the massive ones in their own faith.

But of course, as you laucnh personal attacks, hoping to bother the mods with your incessant flame baiting, you are actually the victim of a prejudice rather than your own double standards and false attacks on others?

Right. Such 'honor'.

 

"COllecting rants about religion" means funding anti-religious rants? lol
This is ludicrous.
DeNile isn't a river in Egypt....

As expected, just further rants and personal attacks.

I'd better leave you to it, as any response just seems to provoke further foot-stamping and throwing toys out of the cot.

 

Yes, of course, as the author of the lines, I have no idea what I was trying to write. And even after it is clear that I am referring to the same rants twice, you cannot let it go ....

Why if you had to admit that a religious person beat you, you might have to exaimne the faith that assures you of your superiority to everyone, and we can't have that.

So, the strawmen continue. The contradictions in the OP safely pushed to the side where faith is not challenged.

 

I'm not attacking your faith, I'm mocking your silly views of your faith. You don't even know what being a christian means.

I'm not a christian so I'm not in anyway oblige to follow its teaching myself.

And I'm not an agnostic either.

Open your mind.

 

Again, I'm not an agnostic. I just don't follow an abrahamic based faith.

 

Atheism cannot contain contradictions. What on earth would a lack of belief in gods contradict? It's absolute nonsense.

Humans, however, whether they are atheists or theists, may say stuff that is contradictive. That's not all that peculiar. In fact, religious scripture such as the Bible contains contradictions precisely because it is written by humans. That is really the case you're making.

 

Atheism isn't a religion. Atheists don't adhere to some book or set of rules. It's not a movement. How can there be 'contradictions"? If a person doesn't believe in a personal deity or that some mythical entity created the universe and everything in it..then they just don't believe it. Where would contridiction be involved?

 

Like I said, religion encouraged wars often enough.

Better than having these American warmongers around, for sure.

I don't have to be a vet of this war to know about it. People are informed in Europe.

Dirty Yank thugs don't defend something bravely.

Airplanes back.

Yes, the American invasion of Germany was wrong and useless.

Afghanistan is defensive here. They never declared war at Yanks and the attacks have not been traced back to Afghanis, or have they?

Thoughtful or compassionate responses like yours?

I did not learn something in this thread.

Excuses for what? Do I kill in the name of Jesus or do you?

In which situations is it necessary to enjoy killing people?

Maybe this helps. Christian soldiers need a bit of a stretch, they laugh in the face of Jesus and still hope to get to paradise. Sounds like stress. Except for very simple-minded people or for people who fool themselves.

 

Really, you ar eattcking both me as a person and my faith, telling me, even as I use the Bible to back up my statements, that I do not know what Christianity means.

I will tell you a couple of things:

1. Christinianity is a big tent. It hold many diverse views, many of which are seemingly contradictory. Within the tent are fundamentalists who percieve even the most allegorical parts of the Bible as fact, such is allowed and with the tent. There are others who view the Bible as a tome of wisdom, part fact, part history, part allegory, but a useful tool in seeking understanding and wisdom. There are others who pretty much reject the Bible save the New testament and the teachings of Jesus.

All are Christians.

2. One thing that is definitely not Christians, is the assumption that ONE person ha sthe entirety of Christianity mastered to the point where they can lecture someone else about how they are not Christians.

I suggest you open your own mind to other ideas and possibilities rather than seek to merely condemn others.

 

I suggest you reference the OP.

Then I suggest you address the contraduction of being uninterested in the concept of a diety and yet finding yourself in a religion forum - for some reason.

Finally, I suggest you apply your standards. Are contradictions ONLY found in religion? So how is advocating atheism lack of religious status (though it is one for legal purposes - as discussed in the OP) mean that it is free from contradiction.

Whatever atheism is, it is - and the idea that whatever it is free from contradction simply because it is not religion seems odd. Humans are involved, so it is a safe bet to assume that there are a few within the statements of ... whatever atheism is (which are themselves often contradictions as atheists explain what atheism is and is not).

The subject though, is why atheists appear so willing to jump on every bit of minutia they can find to attack someone else faith, but, for example, when one of their own is preaching the ideology of Gora or India (which I have no problem with) and its message of charity and out reach, and is instead launching into anti-religious diatribes under this guise?

Why is that contradiction, even fraud, not popping on the ol' atheist contradiction meter - one atuned to finding the slightest contradiction in everyone else's faith?

Indeed, why have a few atheists, right here in this forum, taken such great lengths to simply paste over the glaring contradiction being done under the guise of atheism's humanistic aspects?

What is human outreach about slamming someone else's faith? Me thinks there is a contradiction there.

 

How can there be any contradiction if the bible is the word of god? Does the word of god open to debate?

And being a christian is to tend toward being christ like. You are supposed to follow his word. As such you shouldn't be making accusation toward others and when offended you should be presenting the other cheek.

I never condemn anybody. Not once I've told you to stop believing in what you do. The importance of christianity is the message not the characters of the story. Like I said many time, even if all the characters were fictionnal, the message still hold.

If I read any other book that i know are works of fiction, i can still appreciate the message it carries. I don't feel my faith threaten because of it.

Ok, now as your pitiful accusation, I think you are projecting here. You're the one always accusing other of atheism, as if it was a bad thing, or of other similar baseless lie. Stop it already! You won't make us leave by keeping this up but your rep here is going down the crapper fast.