Could Boris Johnson be the UK's last prime minister?

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Thedimon, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. Diablo

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    You're incomprehensible: "For anyone else how Scotland would go for Independence when the people want it." What does that mean? It's not English.
    I'm glad you're not going for the Catalan solution anyway. Could get people into trouble.
    Look, I don't care either way, you want to leave then go ahead as far as I'm concerned, save England a pile of cash, not least because the nuclear deterrent goes too. That leaves France as the guardian of Europe.....
     
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  2. truth and justice

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    So you can provide a link giving evidence of the date that the UK applied to join the EU
     
  3. alexa

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    I appreciate you will not understand what I say as you have said it 3 times now. Given that you are unable to understand what I say that part was for other people who might b e interested not yourself
     
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    Wales is showing an interest in Independence now.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    It's naïve to think economic growth wouldn't have slowed if the UK hadn't joined the EU.
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    Scotland might well stay in the UK if the UK stays in the EU.
     
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    Since that's the only possible answer you could have given, I can understand why you'd suggest using a crystal ball.
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    We may find out if the UK crashes out of the EU and the government refuses requested referendum.

    It would be difficult for the government to hold on to Scotland is a majority of Scots voted to leave.
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    Growth slowed down across the industrialized world, so there's no reason to think the EU would have escaped.
     
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  11. Diablo

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    It would be interesting to see what would happen. The Spanish government did just that, of course.
     
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    We only have 11 years left now anyway, who cares.
     
  13. truth and justice

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    That is not what i asked for. I'm waiting for you to give a link saying the date on which we joined the EU, you know , the EEC which is mentioned in your link
     
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    It's exactly what you asked for.

    The UK joined the EU when it was formed during the signing of the Maastricht Treaty.

    If you'd have read the link, you'd know that. Maybe.

    In the United Kingdom, an opt-out from the treaty's social provisions was opposed in Parliament by the opposition Labour and Liberal Democrat MPs and the treaty itself by the Maastricht Rebels within the governing Conservative Party. The number of rebels exceeded the Conservative majority in the House of Commons, and thus the government of John Major came close to losing the confidence of the House.[8] In accordance with British constitutional convention, specifically that of parliamentary sovereignty, ratification in the UK was not subject to approval by referendum. Despite this, the British constitutional historian Vernon Bogdanor suggests that there was “a clear constitutional rationale for requiring a referendum” based on the allocation of legislative power.[9][10]
     
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    The Spanish constitution prohibits what the Catalan tried to do.
     
  16. truth and justice

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    And still no date given.......

    Let me help you:
    Poland joined on 1 May 2004
    Rumania joined on 1 January 2007
    So when did the UK join?

    Perhaps this will make it clearer:
    "The European Union (EU) is a group of 28 nations in Europe, formed in the aftermath of World War II. The first batch of countries joined in 1957, which included Germany, France, Italy, Belgium, Luxembourg and The Netherlands. In 1973, Denmark, Ireland and the UK joined. Greece joined in 1981, followed by Spain and Portugal in 1986 and Austria, Finland and Sweden in 1995. In 2004, 9 countries were added, 2 more in 2007, and finally Croatia in 2013 to bring the total to 28."
    http://worldpopulationreview.com/european-union-countries/

    Notice the date?
     
  17. LangleyMan

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    American English. :)
     
  18. LangleyMan

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    But would the UK do it?
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    We do?
     
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    I believe the Scots will leave within five years, ten at the most.

    Northern Ireland is more complicated.

    Long ago, when 'the Troubles' in Northern Ireland seemed intermnable, Connor Cruise O'Brien, a Southern Irish politician who was a maverick in his thinking, proposed a new Partition of the North. (His general trajectory was from Republicanism to Unionism, and I have been unable to find where he made this proposal. But I definitely recall his doing so.)

    Perhaps this might be a solution. It wouldn't be pretty, as the two populations are intermingled, but it would settle this problem once and for all, just as the Greek/Turk enmity on Cyprus has finally been settled.

    The dead hand of the Catholic Church has been removed from the Republic, so there would not be as much Protestant resistance to becoming a minority as there was in the past. But I wouldn't count on this being a major factor.
    In any case, Catholics, with their higher birth rate than Protestants, will soon be a majority in the Province, and will be able to vote to unite with the South. While the UK was in the EU there were a significant number of Catholic 'unionists' on economic grounds in the North, but this will probably change unless the UK positively flourishes outside the EU, which I doubt. So look for a referendum on the issue, with Catholics in the majority.

    That's when civil war will begin. So perhaps Brexit would be a good excuse to have a peaceful separation now and avoid any unpleasantness a few years from now.

    You can see from this map of population distribution roughly where the new borders would be drawn. (Green is Catholic and Orange is Protestant.)

    upload_2019-7-31_22-53-17.png
     
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    According to prominent leaders of the Democrat party we do.
     
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    Oh sure I notice the date.

    Lets see if you notice this one

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    Yeah, well--they're falling all over themselves pandering to activists.
     
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    Scotland leaving the UK would mean Scotland crash out of the EU anyway.
    Scotland would have to apply to the EU if it wanted to be in the EU.
    The last time Scotland voted in 2014, they vote to stay in the UK, this was promised as a once in a generation vote.

    Scotland aren't about to leave the UK.
     
  25. truth and justice

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    You left this bit out of the link (that you did not supply)

    The treaty changed the name of the European Economic Community to the European Community (EC), which became the primary component of the new European Union.

    The Maastricht Treaty specified an agenda for incorporating monetary policy into the EC and formalized planning that had begun in the late 1980s to replace national currencies with a common currency managed by common monetary institutions.........and the United Kingdom chose not to apply for membership.

    ie The UK did not join the EU in the 90's as they were already in it when it was known as the EEC.

    And we can always post this map from your link:
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    European Economic CommunityMap showing the composition of the European Economic Community (EEC) from 1957, when it was formed by the members of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC), to 1993, when it was renamed the European Community (EC) and was subsumed under the European Union (EU).Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.


    So back to the point. The UK joined the EEC/Common market in 1973 as the sick man of Europe and will be leaving as the fifth richest country in the world
     

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