Could Boris Johnson be the UK's last prime minister?

They might stay--or stay longer--if Brexit dies.

We can see how a hundred years later the first attempt at partition worked out.

It's definitely an interesting twist. The abortion referendum result was a huge blow to the Church.

Maybe with a Brexit death, the status quo could last long enough that a peaceful outcome could be had by future generations.

Power mad Boris doesn't seem to give a damn if he wrecks the UK. These are interesting times.

 

The Uk was a member of the EEC and agreed to advance that Union and rename it. That is not joining, that is advancing what you joined many years ago to the next level. Renegotiating a contract to make it up to date, that's what happened.
Nothing needed because the UK, by referendum, decided to join the EEC, which than advanced to become the EU.
Mind you, the UK had a veto right and was able to bring all its needs and concerns into the advancement.
The problem with the UK was foreseen by De Gaul, it would never buy into the idea of the EEC/EU, it would join for economic and egoistic reason, and once those goals were accomplished it would leave.
France, it lead the way and Germany started it, because for one simple reason, we have to become such close friends that we never ever fight a war, even if that means that France and Germany would become one country.
Could say again, happened a long time ago.
Lets recall, France started it. I as a German am very grateful for that. Than the other 4 joined, made sense, the battle field countries, were millions died.
The side product was a economic union which made those countries rather rich, after the destruction of WWII.
The UK joined because its economy was going south and the EEC free trade zone, its neighbor, had tariffs on what ever the UK produced.
The UK was loosing all its industrial base, could not compete with its closest neighbor, the EEC.
The UK was never a battle field, despite the German bombing, all the founding countries had been, WWI and WWII. The destruction of those wars, the battles, were in central Europe, not in the UK..
It is in the historical DNA of the central European countries and not in the UK.
That is the foundation of the EEC, which than evolved into the EU, after the Soviet Block collapsed.
The UK and quiet a few other countries should not be in the EU, because they do not understand the underlining principals, they are just there for their egoistic economic reason and not for the EU.
France again, the new Friendship Treaty with Germany, moving closer, was initiated by France, symbolically signed in Aachen.
Naturally that blew by all the Anglos, across the ditch and across the pond.

They just do not get it at all.

Leave, please.

 

It isn't your business whether Scotland stays in the Union. Many people changed their minds at the last moment in the Indyref given the propaganda by the 3 'Amigos' that the only way we could guarantee staying in the EU was to stay part of the Union. What is currently being offered is a far right English Nationalist UK. You have the right for what you want for England. You personally are choosing a far right English Nationalist Government. As a part of England that is your choice but it most certainly is not the choice of the people of Scotland. As I said Scotland will leave when her people choose to leave and that could be very soon. Even Wales is beginning to think of Independence from England.

Plaid Cymru make history by TAKING THE LEAD in a Welsh poll for the first time ever

 

I can see war in Europe soon. Your attitude portrays it.

 

Definitely interesting times, and I fear that what's coming elsewhere, later, is going to make this look like a little jolt in the road.
It looks like Brexit is definitely on.
Partition was going to happen -- if the Irish Republicans (the Free State wing) had not agreed to it, there would have been a civil war. What can be argued -- I'm not doing so, just raising the possibility -- is that there should have been a massive population exchange, of the sort that the Greeks and Turks had had a few years earlier, to make the North and South more homogeneous.

We may see that anyway.

As they say, "Diversity is strength", and so it is, if you have a strong stomach for massacres.

 

Do not get excited about massacres. Given that polls suggest there would be a definite majority for Irish Union if England went for No Deal, that must include people who are not of the Catholic faith. Partition is already what has happened. Although it is true that the peace can be quite fragile from what I have heard it is mainly macho young men who like the idea of making a name for themselves in this way. Arlene Foster wanted Brexit because she believed that would be the end of any attempts at Independence for Scotland or Union of Ireland. As people there were saying during the Scottish Indyref, an Independent Scotland takes away the ideology behind NI being in the UK anyway. People in Northern Ireland have the right of Irish Citizenship and currently have an open border. Somehow their rights as per the Good Friday agreement will need to be met despite the problems of English Nationalism and Foster making a big mistake on the effect of Brexit. At the current point in time we are already hearing that the English Nats interest in a Trade Deal with the US to sustain them after a No Deal Brexit will not be forthcoming if Ireland is left in the sort of situation you are suggesting. Possibly the easiest solution would be after a vote on a United Ireland that those not happy with the result be given a substantial amount of money in compensation to resettle in England.

 

Resettlement in England with compensation for lost property would definitely be the best, humane solution. Let's hope it happens.

I don't put a lot of faith in majorities ... that majority will include mainly Catholics, and the minority, mainly Protestants. However, it may be that the English will have gotten tired of fighting in overseas wars, and will not aid the Protestant side in a possible civil war, so we might see a peaceful solution involving mass population transfers with only a little bit of killing.

I would hope for it, but I wouldn't bet on it. I recall the (probably imaginary) conversation between two Irish Republicans, one moderate, the other not: "Sure, the Proddies cannot be bombed into a United Ireland." "Maybe not, but perhaps they can be bombed out of it."

There have been peaceful separations: Norway from Sweden, and Slovakia from the Czechs. But in those cases, there was not much intermingling of populations, and geography did not trap one side inside what the other side considered its natural borders, as in Sri Lanka. You guys will be let go without much bloodshed (although I would not want to be public with my unionism if I lived in Scotland during the next referendum) as will the French in Quebec. It's even money for Catalonia and the Basques against the Castilians.

I would put money on there being, at this very moment, hard men among the Protestants who are studying the population map of Northern Ireland today, and working out where the new borders will be. And they can probably count on help from the Real/Continuity IRA to provide some atrocities to stir up the Protestant side. But let's hope it's all very British (the ideal, not the reality, certainly not in Ireland) and peaceful.

 

Why wouldn't it be the UK if Scotland left?

 

I.E. Democrats.

Translation: I want you to agree that the ECC was the EU.

My response: No.

 

double

 

Yeah yeah, the ECC and the EU is the same thing argument. Whatever.

Well I guess the UK is still the sick man of Europe since it was the 5th richest country in 1970 as well.

 

The main issue people are talking about is the same as with Scotland, whether Westminster will agree to them having their referendum.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...over-prospect-of-united-ireland-38362406.html

Polls would suggest they do.

"It would be “unthinkable” if a no-deal Brexit was not followed by a poll on Irish reunification, the leader of Sinn Féin has warned Boris Johnson, also telling the prime minister that no one believed he was impartial on Northern Ireland."

The English nats who are the ones with current power earlier made it clear that to them it is not a problem if Scotland goes Independent and Ireland reunifies but now Boris is PM and needs the DUP to keep his government in power .....

In the 60's violence started because the Catholics were unable to get equal rights and every way they tried non violently to achieve this was met with violence. The army initially went in to protect the Catholics. Prior to that the Eire were considering putting in their army to protect them.

Then you have the reality that those in power in Westminster are intending on leaving the EU with No Deal meaning that they will be desperate for any deal they can get particularly with the US coupled with the fact that if the Irish are hurt by the Brexiters going against the Good Friday agreement, the US is already suggesting they can forget any deal.

"Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned."

They need to stay firmly by law which means the good Friday agreement and a vote on Union if that is what the people want. I think Arlene Foster has just shot herself in the foot while trying to make the situation in Ireland one that will never change.

The other side of this is the reality that the DUP are the people keeping the Government in power but many Tories have said they themselves will bring the Government down if it tries a No deal Brexit.

Brexit itself never mind a No Deal Brexit is not yet definite. The fat lady is still singing but this lot will do anything to try and get their own way.

 

I forgot about the EU and Ireland

https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/07/1...ecome-an-issue-for-europe-says-denis-bradley/

How Brexit changes a unionist to a united Irelander

 

Let's hope there's no bloodshed, whatever happens.

 

You think most Democrats are activists? Really?

Keep this up and we'll be looking into how much time you're watching Fox News.

 

Thanks for proving the point.

 

Resettlement with compensation for large numbers of the population within the UK is never going to happen.

 

BS

 

Yes, your post was.

 

Resettlement is more than a stupid idea.

 

More BS

 

ditto

 

Yes, I agree with that.

 

As I say, if Scotland leave, I'd want London to leave.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_independence

 

This is the crux of the issue and no pro-leave people have addressed it, except to hand-wave it away with un-invented technologies that will make the Irish border issue supposedly go away.