Could There Already Be There An Indictment Under Seal for Trump?

In other words the GOP already has past experience of the sheer INCOMPETENCE of your BLOTUS when it comes to running a campaign so they are going to do it for him in 2020.

Got it!

 

It's complicated.

When you're in the infotainment business, and your target is a relatively lowbrow audience, You have to be careful about how you navigate the waters of perception if you want to keep your customers.

On the other hand, you can't look like Alex Jones, and we all know how long Glen Beck lasted.

So, as every radio talker knows, the trick is to be only about one half step ahead of your audience.

Over at the Wall Street Journal, for instance, there has been a lot of serious reporting that has been quite damaging to Trump. However, the editorial page reads like the Trumpscher Boerbachter (Breitbart).

A lot of the business class is not nearly as rabidly right wing as the SSJ editorial page, but they do read the WSJ for news, as it is still an excellent newspaper.

Meanwhile, uptown at Fox, being talk radio with pictures has its disadvantages.

And Trump's chaotic incompetence, and his serious weakness have caused problems.

Trump ran entirely on white resentment and xenophobia. He held up a mirror to the worst instincts of otherwise generally decent ordinary people. But fearmongering and bigotry are acid on the body politic.

And it sold.

Now, Trump is caving on his idiotic and offensive wall, a the far right wing is not happy with Trump at all over sentencing reform.

So Fox finds itself on the horns of a dilemma.

They're Trump TV. And Trump is falling apart before everyone's eyes.

 

The president has not been indicted. Mueller has not, and will not seek any indictment against the president. It is unconstitutional, therefore unlawful to do so. Prepare to be disappointed. https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...ery-mueller-opponent-has-finally-been-solved/

 

Thanks, I missed this one!

If things keep going the way they are going now, I predict that this will fall apart too.

I can already imagine the RNC people on one side of the offices, and the Trump people (when they actually show up) on the other!

And the minute Romney starts attracting attention, the RNC won't be able to maintain any credibility as a party organization if they are tied to Trump.

But it does make a complete mockery of the Trumpster noise about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

 

Could There Already Be An Indictment Under Seal for Trump?

It would be foolish not to do so as protection, Mueller and SDNY are not fools.

 

See post #54 ... Just seeking an indictment violates the constitution, and is therefore unlawful. A president cannot be indicted while in office, so having an indictment returned, and sealed during the presidential term is prohibited under Article II. Those are definitely justifiable grounds for removing a vigilante prosecutor.

 

I have no idea whether this was all over Trump or some foreign corporation.

I don't think it's useful to speculate over it either.

There is no case law whatsoever that says a sitting President cannot be indicted. There is a Justice Department policy. But policy is not law, and if it comes down to it, this will go to court in order to establish the necessary standing.

In the Clinton case, there WAS long standing case law that said that a sitting PResident could not be tried or forced to testify in a matter while in office. The Special Prosecutor chose to challenge that long standing precident in court.

That will certainly happen in this case.

How that will turn out is anybody's guess. But Trump's lawyers would be fools indeed to assume that the addition of both Gorsuch and Cavanaugh guarantees the outcome.

Now, Trump, of course, is a fool, and probably does believe that. Cavanaugh was nominated for precisely that reason.

 

I agree that it is an exercise in futility given that the BLOTUS cannot be controlled and scripted.

All it will take is for him to throw a hissyfit over one of the senior RNC people on the team and he will be namecalling and blaming and effectively undermining the entire effort because it will not be exclusively all about him and staffed with fawning sycophants.

There are other better Republican candidates for 2020 and I suspect that Kasich is very much a contender in that regard. He was smart enough to not ever draw the BLOTUS's direct wrath in the 2016 primary and if anyone can stand up and present themselves as the voice of reason it will be him. That does not mean that he will win but if the GOP is smart they will arrange that he is the only other choice and motivate the moderates to do what the Dem Progressives did in 2018.

At least that is my long term view and there is a great deal that is still going to happen in 2019 before we get to those primaries so this is just speculation at this stage.

 

Me thinks the time for searching for excuses and technicalities to protect Trump has passed and doing so now is seen as desperation and panic.

 

It's time someone called you out on this RW garbage you've been dumping on our floors. Trump has been and continues to be the most corrosive and destructive president of my lifetime. His base camp rallies have stoked hatred and division through relentless attacks on the media, the justice department, and anyone not in the base camp. CNN needs security guards to attend one of Trump's hatefests. He has convinced his low information followers the the media is "the enemy of the people" - Stalin's favorite line. He has established new lows in presidential politics that have invited some of America's most corrupt low life's to serve in Washington.

Trump has systematically attacked America's established order in the courts, the Congress, the intelligence community, and our relations with other nations. He has attempted (and failed) to strip funding from advanced energy initiatives in favor of coal. His boneheaded decision to leave TTP has put America at a big disadvantage in trade in the Pacific Basin. He has singlehandedly removed the United States from is position of world leadership. He has trashed our international reputation and convinced an ignorant base of voters that's a good thing. America first is now America alone.

Trump along with Putin, have tried to knock the pins out from liberal democracy around the world and destroy America in the process. Trump's motto is: If you can't be a shining example at least be a terrible warning. Trump is headed for jail and all the RW whining and obfuscation in the world won't help him. He fought the law and the law won.

 

Yes ... the "technicality" of having a constitution. I'm merely debunking the phony theory that Mueller has, or will indict Trump while he's in office. Trump could face an indictment when his term expires if Mueller or SDNY has a case to make. I'm not excusing Trump of anything ... just pointing out that he will not be indicted before he leaves office.

 

Is NPR incapable of tracking the 25 or so DOJ / FBI deep staters that have been fired / demoted / forced to resign? How about difi's Chinese spy? Any word on him?

Any word yet from Huber? Wanna take a gander at how many indictments he's made under seal?

 

where, specifically in the constitution does it say a sitting president can't be indicted? What court case ruled indicting a sitting president is unconstitutional?

I am genuinely curious about this. That is my understanding as well, but I can't seem to find any such ruling by a court.

 

It's a DOJ legal opinion going back to Nixon. The thought is that a sitting pres would have to be removed from office first because an indictment would interfere with his duties. That's not likely to change under any circumstances.

 

That seems more like a DOJ policy, rather than actually being unconstitutional. Just being indicted wouldn't interfere with his duties. Convicted would, but I would think a sitting president being indicted by a crime, would trigger immediate impeachment hearings in the house.

 

Kasich is not running from a position of elected office in 2020. That doesn't matter for a tabloid celebrity like Trump, and the mob that followed him, but it will to the sort of people who would most likely vote for Kasich.

Romney will have a platform, in the form of his new Senate seat. The fact that he was Governor of Massachusetts and has direct experience getting health care legislation passed will stand him in good stead.

Obamacare changed the public discussion. After decades of fearmongering and promoting bogus uncertainty to a gullible public, the reality turned out to be far less frightening than was predicted (even if right wing media still beats those drums).

The fact is the people still had health insurance and had more certainty than they had before.

Which opens people up to be more receptive to single payer national health insurance. Only, you have to call it Medicare for all.

 

Yes, DOJ policy. Not a question of the constitution. I don't see anything in the constitution that would prevent a president from being charged and tried while in office.

Depending on what comes out of the Mueller investigation, I can see this potentially changing after Trump leaves office.

And it would not surprise me at all if there is currently a sealed indictment against Trump. And several more before he leaves office.

 

You are flat wrong. You are saying that the defense and the judges do not have to follow constitutional procedure. What do you think got Trump, Flynn, and Cohen in trouble?

 

Made me laugh with this one.

Trump is not in trouble.

Flynn is protecting his son and Cohen did some stuff that involved a taxi company, and the taxes associated with that, totally apart from his relationship to Trump.

Mueller is simply more powerful that Judge Sullivan at this point. But that may change quite quickly if the Corsi lawsuit exposes further misconduct apart from what the FBI did with Flynn.

The Corsi lawsuit begins formal courtroom discovery on January 3rd. Mueller can't hide the tapes that Corsi used for his book. And he can't dismiss them as being a part of national security.

 

Obstruction of justice is the proper term.

Any who believe that Trump is not in trouble and that Flynn is merely protecting family and that Mueller is acting unethically or that Corsi's lawsuit will do anything other than bring him out in the open where Mueller can nab him, obviously is either woefully ignorant of the issues, mentally feeble, or malignantly motivated to protect the Trump Crime Family

 

To date, yes it is.

 

To date, the RW conspiracy is collapsing.

 

Its what Liberals fail to see. They just want to "get Trump" after the embarrassment of 2016. Trump doesn't do us any favors, but if the goal is to make him look as stupid as possible, the MSM is managing to do it. Funny how the did the complete opposite of Obama and REFUSED to show him in anything other than a golden, glowing light of kindness, respect and goodness, while he bashed the country under his breath at nearly every turn and made us look weak. Its not like the MSM repeated Obama not knowing how many states we have, embarrassed himself over Trayvon, set back race relations a few decades with his CONSTANT identity politics, showed stats of how many illegals were in cages or how many families were broke up or made compilations of him stuttering when a teleprompter wasn't present. Why would the press feel the need to try to embarrass a president, when it reflects badly on the rest of us? What possible motivation could the MSM have=) Hmmmmm??

 

Trump and his allies and his "helpers" are the bad guys, not the ones trying to stop them.

No whataboutism excuses Trump.

Nothing excuses Trump.

 

Where's this famous indictment? Whataboutism is an attempt to shield your hypocrisy. For 2 years there's been claims to Trump's demise. WHERE'S THE INDICTMENT?