Could There Already Be There An Indictment Under Seal for Trump?

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  1. Derideo_Te

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    In the Pending file!
     
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    You (we), ain't seen nothin' yet!
     
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    You're really, really grasping a really thin straws when you put your cards on a crackpot loser like Jerome Corsi!

    Do you have a shelf full of Corsi conspiracy theory books? Are they next to the Alex Jones and Ann Coulters?
     
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    With the New Democratic Party, and their MSM partners, establishing new ground rules for treatment of opposing party members, the next NDP President had better be prepared for what will be coming their way.
     
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    "I can see this potentially changing after Trump leaves office."

    You won't because there isn't.

    Ken Starr, who has some experience in these matters, thinks Trump can be indicted.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...r_president_donald_trump_can_be_indicted.html
     
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    "I can see this potentially changing after Trump leaves office."

    You won't because there isn't.

    Ken Starr, who has some experience in these matters, thinks Trump can be indicted.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...r_president_donald_trump_can_be_indicted.html
     
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    New Democratic Party? Something you made up or did you hear that one bellowed out of your AM radio?

    And it is very unlikely that any Democratic party would nominate someone as incompetent, corrupt and as compromised, vein and shallow as Donald Trump.

    Tabloid celebrites, "reality" TV stars, crackpots, and the likes of Sharon Angle, Sarah Palin and Donald Trump all belong to the GOP. No one else would be cynical enough to gamble the most powerful office on earth on a complete fool just to win an election for your party.
     
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    I was talking about the DoJ policy. I think that policy might be revised after Trump leaves office to make it clear that a president can be indicted for certain crimes while he is still sitting.
     
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    Well, holy cow -- it looks like all you guys on the Left have to do now is come up with someone (SOMEONE) from your ranks to run for the presidency who isn't an America-hating, "free-stuff" moron, and, voilĂ  -- you'll win the White House back!

    upload_2018-12-20_8-51-21.jpeg . Trump's the problem! :twisted: . Venezuela's the answer.... :spin:
     
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    Could There Already Be There An Indictment Under Seal for Trump?

    Not under long time, hard, and twice reviewed DOJ legal opinions. But, that wouldn't necessarily affect Mueller nor many judges, so who knows.
     
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    Your beloved BLOTUS and the GOP controlled Congress are IDENTICAL to what CAUSED the rise of socialism in Venezuela!

    Just stop and think for a moment.

    The Venezuelan "democratic" government pre-socialism was at least as corrupt as the GOP and your BLOTUS. They were lining their own pockets at the expense of the good people of Venezuela. That resulted in opposition politicians using the message of socialism to gain power and overthrow the equivalent of your GOP and the BLOTUS. That the socialist politicians were subsequently both incompetent and undermined by USA is what happens to small nations that choose not to obey the dictates of the Wall Street Casino Bosses who control the world's markets.

    Now come back here to the USA and what just happened in the 2018 Midterms? Progressive candidates espousing social democracy wiped out 40% of the GOP's elected seats and are on track to do the same again in 2020 and 2022.

    This is the political pendulum at work, Cy! When the nation goes too far in either direction it stops and swings back towards the middle. The egregious excesses of wealth disparity caused by the corrupt GOP and the Wall Street Casino Bosses have resulted in the POPULARITY of Progressive social democracy taking hold amongst We the People.

    Will we end up like Venezuela? I don't know but I doubt it because that would mean that the Wall Street Casino Bosses cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. If they are smart they will pull back and allow this trend to take it's course and regroup and begin their looting and stripmining the wealth of this nation again after everything has stabilized. But that presumes that they are smart enough to see the trend and patient enough to wait it out. If they decide to fight the trend then all bets are off and what happens next is probably not going to be anyone's best interests.
     
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    What are you talking about? Defense? Trump, Flynn, Cohen? We're discussing an IMAGINARY sealed indictment that NO ONE has the constitutional authority to even SEEK ... let alone seal ... right?
     
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    PI, (1) the investigation and indictment are indeed constitutional. (2) The findings are not imaginary. (3) Your hopes are only founded in your imagination.
     
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    JS ... investigations are permitted, indictments are not. Put down the bong.
     
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    Indictments and pleas and convictions and sentences have already happened.

    Go back and study please.
     
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    I only have to "study" the threads title JS ... as I'm not straying from the topic ... an imaginary indictment of the POTUS. Your strawmen haven't distracted me JS.
     
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    Yes, PI, you are straying.
     
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    No JS ... you are squirming. See the title? Trump has not been indicted. This absurd fantasy is fake news JS.
     
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    I really do try to find points of agreement with you, mostly because you interest me (you remind me a bit of myself when I was much younger). And I will agree with your comments about "Wall Street Casino Bosses" entirely! The truly 'egregious' sins of "Fat Cat" Republicans are well-popularized, but can you agree with me that the OTHER HALF of that greed-consumed faction is made up of "Limousine Liberals"...?! In order to get utter disasters like 'Venezuela', it takes both of them! Now add a smothering, manipulative central bank like the Federal Reserve combine and you've got all the ingredients for a truly wretched "Third-World"-style economy... where there is consistent movement toward a "1984-esque" social scenario....

    "Wealth disparity" is a reality, yes -- but it is one that can be remedied by truly FAIR taxation... not this miserable fraud we call the U. S. Tax Code (which has been a joke for decades....). I'm sure you are only all too familiar with my numerous rants about how we need to purge this thing of all tax loopholes, tax shelters, tax deductions, exclusions, write-off's, 'carried-interest', etc. In a nutshell: the big-rich enjoy wholly unfair tax advantages that none of the rest of us ever have access to, and they maintain ARMIES of tax lawyers and tax accountants to make very damned sure they never have to pay one penny more in taxes than they are absolutely FORCED to pay.

    Back on topic (and I know how you love to stay rigidly focused on-topic)... :lol:, if there's an indictment against Trump coming, then LET IT COME! As I've said about a hundred times, if Trump has done anything that is against the law, let the charges be brought, let the evidence be presented in the appropriate court of law, and let justice be rendered -- PERIOD.

    One favor, please... will you not refer to Trump as MY "beloved BLOTUS"...? I've said a hundred times that my "guy" was former Texas Governor, Rick Perry. I voted for Trump for one main reason -- the only thing you guys on the Left could come up with was a disgustingly corrupt, ignorant, doctrinaire wretch like Hillary Clinton. I heartily recommend that for 2020 you look around in your ranks and see if you can't find somebody (ANYBODY) better than THAT! You might be surprised at how well you could do if you'd find somebody who was even 1/100th's as good as, say, John F. Kennedy! :applause:
     
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    You can't read the title. It is a false assertion, my friend, and your fake news is . . . fake.
     
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    As far as I am concerned the worst of the worst tax boondoggles is the special treatment granted to Capital Gains. It is INCOME and needs to be taxed just like ALL OTHER income. The obscenely wealthy on BOTH sides of the political aisle need to be paying HIGHER taxes because all of these GOP taxcuts are nothing more than WELFARE for the WEALTHY.

    The BLOTUS (not yours or mine) is definitely sweating the SC investigation. He went ballistic when he was named (Individual-1) in the Cohen Campaign Finance crimes. There might be a Grand Jury indictment for his role in the conspiracy but we just have to wait and see. TBH it would be a travesty of justice if he was NOT indicted for that crime. What else is out there that is also indictable remains to be determined but given the thoroughness of the process to date it appears more and more likely that if they do find anything it will be rock solid.

    Given the Midterm results I suspect that 2020 is now shaping up to be a slam dunk for the Dems which means they could screw it up again and lose just like they did in 2016, 2004 and 2000. Personally I hope that they are smart enough to go with a Progressive instead of another establishment candidate. Bernie pulled in 12% of the Republican vote in the primaries which means that the Progressive messaging resonates with the Independents as well as the left. In essence the Dems need someone akin to Beto who promotes a POSITIVE vision of the future for ALL Americans. Given that he came within 3% of Lying Ted in Texas he could be a contender but I not making a selection this far out.
     
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    Wow look at that way up since election day 2016.
     
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    The only part that is "way up" is your beloved BLOTUS's DISAPPROVAL rating.
     
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    Actually, Trump's approval was 37.5% on election day, it is now 42.5%, both according to Real Clear Politics.
     
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    You must be so proud of your beloved BLOTUS for that achievement. Can you name any other POTUS whose approval rating was entirely negative from the moment he was elected right through the Midterms?
     
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