Derek Chauvin Appeals Murder Conviction, Claims Protesters Intimidated Jury

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how they can show videos of cops passing out from contact to fentanyl, but then dismiss fentanyl being in someones system as a main reason leading to death. The best part is when they say "he died from lack of oxygen, not fentanyl" when that's exactly how fentanyl kills you.
     
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    even if he was, if you punch a cop in a bar, and he was already dying and he dies, your still responsible
     
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    where did I say they could not, you can handle a handcuffed man in many ways other than kneeling on their neck for 9 min
     
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    no they don't, it's the same as you can't shoot a criminal running from your house, the rules change based on the circumstances
     
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    "Keeping the knee for 9 minutes is a mostly irrelevant fact if the suspect was already dead, wouldn't you agree?"

    then it would be abusing a corpse, but in this case the suspect was alive and handcuffed
     
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    He wasn’t on the neck, there’s vids on how this technique is done and that’s not it. He was unfortunate in that his arrestee had unknown drugs and medical conditions. Just watch the vids, there’s no time limit for how long you can perch there unless the criminal has odd conditions.
     
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    The report shows the drugs in his system and I posted it, hide in a hole if you want but denying that fact is just hilarious.
     
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    Floyd died from the use of kneeling on his neck, that was from 2 coroners.
     
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    Died from lack of oxygen which came directly from coroners
     
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    Ok that is more direct.
     
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    Medical assistance would involve moving the individual into the recovery position, or performing CPR if necessary. According to the testimony of the police department which those officers worked for, that is what they were trained to do in that situation, they were trained to provide medical assistance immediately. Not only was it their duty to act as a first responders in that situation, but it was also their legal obligation. Even after the person fell unresponsive, they did not provide medical assistance. Even after the person stopped breathing, they did not provide medical assistance. And even after the individual showed no pulse, they still did not provide medical assistance. Instead they maintained stress on the body and neck
     
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    IMO, the appeal will fail because a new trial could not change the outcome.
    It would be a waste of time and money.

    “Fox News host Judge Jeanine Pirro said on Friday that there are “clear facts” showing that the police officer who killed George Floyd needs to be arrested and charged with murder under Minnesota law. “What you have is a police officer with a record of [a] series of complaints over the 19 years that he’s been a police officer who ended up snuffing the life out of an African-American over an alleged counterfeit $20 bill that he was using to buy food for his family,” the host of "Justice with Jeanine" told “Fox & Friends.”

    “The fact that the [federal government] is looking at whether or not there is a civil rights violation, that is fine. But, this man can be charged with murder,” Pirro said.”

    “Pirro called out the other police officers who were standing by while Floyd was begging for help while being asphyxiated under custody. Witnesses to the arrest recorded with their phones, pleading for Chauvin to let Floyd up from the ground.

    “I want to know what were those police officers doing as George Floyd was begging, saying he couldn’t breathe, saying ‘please please,’ begging them and then crying for his mama?" Pirro asked. "I mean, break your heart. This man who put his knee on the neck of George Floyd does not deserve to be free in this country.”

    Hours after the interview aired, Chauvin was arrested.”
    FOX NEWS, Judge Pirro says 'facts are clear,' Minnesota officer 'does not deserve to be free’, By Joshua Nelson, May 29, 2020.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-jeanine-pirro-officer-arrest-george-floyd

    Case closed.
     
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    My only issue, and I still think the cop should have done something different once the symptoms became obvious, is that Fentanyl stops breathing as well. They have videos of cops accidently touching the substance with out taking it and they basically drop and stop moving. Still at the same time, once a cop starts the arrest process that person is under their responsibility and this cop should have done more, way more, to make sure their perp was in OK condition. He was not a threat and was just laying there dying.
     
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    It is just a bad technique, the neck is too vulnerable of an area to place all of one's
    It is just a bad technique. The neck is too vulnerable of an area to place one's weight on.

    For the appeal, that is expected. What happens, who knows what will happen these days.
     
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    I've lost friends and family members to that drug, and it has swept through the entire nation, no area is immune.

    For the restraint techniques, yeah, we have to get smarter than the neck compression, other people have died from it too. Albeit I am no expert on that.
     
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    And that is one way to do it to prevent them from hurting themselves or the officers and the knee was in the middle of his back never on his neck as the other video angles proved. They had tried the other ways remember.
     
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    The officers didn't shove the drugs down his throat or somehow cause his heart and pulmonary system to be highly diseased or cause him to violently resist arrest what exactly are you trying to say?
     
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    No it wasn't. And they not only founds his vehicle with drugs in it, his system had tons of meth and fent.
     
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    Here's more !!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_George_Floyd
    It was revealed in August 2020 that the United States Department of Justice had the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner review the state's official autopsy results, with the review agreeing with the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's findings, including that the death was a homicide.
     
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    watch the training vids. It’s not on the neck.
     
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    Do you know the difference between what the word “homicide” means to the coroners office vs a judge making a ruling of homicide? Homicide to the coroners office just means another person was involved in the death.
    So, that ME ruled another person was involved.
     
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    According to the current ME and the former ME, the neck kneeling played a role in his death.
    Killing someone will definitely will make sure any suspect won't be going anywhere. Should police kill all those who want to go somewhere?
     
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    What he, the actual ME, said was base entirely on his examination. He didn't watch any video prior to his examination.
     
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    Not sure where killing one by kneeling on one's neck is ever justified.
    I guess that's where we differ. You think killing one who is near dead all the way is justified.

    If one's life is in imminent danger, than killing the potential killer or be killed is justified.
    Floyd was handcuffed with hands behind back.
     
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