Did Trump or anyone in his campaign collude or attempt to collude?

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Did Trump or campaign staff collude or try to collude?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    57.1%
  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well at least Russian intelligence didn't give Trump fake intelligence that Saddam had WMD's like British intelligence gave to Bush (43)
     
  2. modernpaladin

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    No clue. I don't watch tv.
     
  3. wyly

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    true...there was a lot of lying going on there, the USA ignored it's own intelligence as well that said there were no WMDs...a lot of people lied to justify an illegal war that got many people killed that needn't have died...it's also a case of people wanting to believe the lies as well to justify their actions
     
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  4. APACHERAT

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    The question is how many times in the past has British intelligence has lied to former Presidents ?

    Was the Zimmerman telegram a fake telegram to get America involved in a European war during WW l ???

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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    And now Trump is lying to you about a national emergency along the U.S./Mexican border, simply because he wants $billions for an unnecessary wall. The facts--from Trump's own Justice Dept--prove 2017, experienced the lowest number of illegals entering the U.S. in 5 decades. The "border emergency" is fake, and the political hype is pure fabrication--LIES--all lies, from a consummate liar. No one who believes them is doing their homework.
     
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    it's all about diverting attention to the evil of the "others"...it's the politics of division and hate...
    it's politics of the extremist authoritarians, the russian and chinese communists did it. the nazi's did it, the facists, the North Koreans, Pol Pot, ISIS...and now trump...we've seen this story before, it rarely turns out well...
     
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  7. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you explain why we still see this ?
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    They no longer cross the border as illegal aliens but as asylum seekers.

    Seem to remember members of Congress saying there was a national emergency on the border during the Obama, Bush and Clinton administrations.


    President Clinton declared 71 national emergencies while he was President.
     
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    Collusion is not a crime. That has been the joke of the last 3 years. Looking for something that isn't even criminal. Do you not think Bezos has been shopping the line "you do this and we will do that" for the last few years? No one is looking to prosecute him for it. It is legal.

    The only time it becomes a crime is when "this or that" are a crime. Then it is not collusion it is conspiracy.
     
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    Your photos show only groups of protesters. Protests are legal in America, so long as they don't involve violence. You don't have to be a citizen to have the right of protest.

    Anybody requesting asylum is investigated in depth by American immigration authorities--extensively so. It doesn't matter whether more are applying for asylum. We are in control of who we accept when they do. Those who don't qualify will be deported. That's part of the LEGAL immigration system, which I support.

    I don't recall the Bush incident, or Clinton's NEs, but Obama faced a very strange challenge along our border. Parents were bringing their young children & teens to the border & ordering them to cross over alone, with no record of who their parents were, Obama was forced to house & care for those children with no way to reunite them with their families. The difference between Obama & Trump here is that Obama didn't cause that family separation. Trump did. That's a big difference in moral and ethnic terms.
     
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    Steele was the go-between to Hillary from the Russians. Even Steele did not believe the dossier.
     
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    Liar.
     
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    The Dossier was originally commissioned by Republicans... But dont let that little fact interfere with a good lie. And yet. NOT ONE SINGLE THING has yet been disproven from that Dossier. Not a SINGLE line item..... Hrmmmmmm.
     
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    Yes.. the Republicans used Fusion GPS, one of the originators of the document. The Republicans just are not that good at shady business
     
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    The Obama administration gave the asylum seekers a court date and then at taxpayers cost transported the asylum seekers into the interior where 90% didn't appear on their court date and became illegal aliens.

    What I want to know where are these millions of asylum seekers who become illegal aliens living now ? You don't see them living on the streets with the homeless.
     
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    1. I seriously doubt your figure of "90%" asylum seekers not showing up in court for their hearings. That sounds like propaganda to me.
    2. They've probably blended in with the society around them. The fact that you don't see them as homeless on the streets would indicate that they are productive individuals who are willing to work--and are doing so of their own accord, and are NOT on the public assistance programs so many of you conservatives constantly accuse them of being on.
     
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    Which items have been proven? Given that the answer is a resounding "none," why was it used in front of a Federal Court Judge?
     
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    Why do they always protest next to Home Depot stores? And how do you know they are protesting?
     
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    No, certainly the Russkies wanted Trump to win (something they might now regret) but direct collusions? Vlad is far too good a spy for that
     
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    Collusion? do you understand the meaning? If you mean conversations took place, yes, if you mean a conspiracy took place no.
     
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    Reality is, no.

    Democrat dream, yes.
     
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    I couldn't vote in your poll because you simply didn't provide enough choices -- and you didn't include any possibility that this whole thing was more a product of the DEMOCRAT Party than anyone else.

    You may find this article interesting -- it's in Politico, so, it's not some 'right-wing' blog site: https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...a-steele-dossier-democrats-republicans-216921

    Everybody was fishing for a political advantage in the election -- but only the Democrats engaged in buying a tainted, unproven "dossier" and then used thier leverage in the Obama Administration, the courts, and the FBI to get a "Mueller Investigation" started -- based on fabrications.

    Think: who would Vladimir Putin have wanted to be our president more? Trump, who is unpredictable, mercurial, a political unknown, and potentially dangerous, or, Hillary, who's corrupt, ignorant, reckless, stupid, and much more likely to be easily manipulated...?

    upload_2019-2-16_15-41-17.png . "Next, you sell us ALL the uranium or we leak everything!"
     
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    Putin makes money from oil, hillary was for oil but not as much as Trump.

    but we must have Putin as ally, Mother Russia is the only nuclear power that can deliver warhead to America.
     
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    Truly, you are incorrect. There is at least one nation besides the Russian Federation that can launch ICBM's equipped with nuclear weapon warheads anywhere in the world -- the People's Republic of China. Many believe that North Korea and India also possess such missile/weapons combinations with intercontinental range.

    I agree that it would be preferable to have cordial, considerate, businesslike relations with Russia, and China as well. We don't have to "love" the Russians in order to get along with them and live peacefully with them... and the same is true of China and India.
     
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    we can defend against the china men with missile defense, but Russia is a white country with White Russians who are very smart.

    i also agree that a cordial relationship with White Russians will prevent mutually assured destruction.
     
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