Do YOU Trust 2022 House & Senate Election?

The Democrats game plan is to brand anyone that questions elections MAGA election deniers. Did they forget how many times they were questioning the results of elections? It's only undemocratic when Republicans do it.

 

If she had lost, people would be screaming fraud about that race too.

 

According to what, or who?

 

Yep - thus my sarcastic post

 

In one of our recent exchanges when I asked you for information to substantiate a claim you made, you advised me that I wasn't worth replying to, and, that I should hunt information up on the internet. Now, I think I'll give your suggestion back to you... the information is there, Pro, so go find it for yourself if you're really that interested....

 

Ok, so you made it up. Thanks for confirming.

I looked and found nothing.

 

It’s fascinating we went from being able to take in a utility bill to vote to them demanding ID’s after a black man won an election to now wanting only people over 25 to vote in person on Election Day.

And they still are not able to win even with massive gerrymandering.

A competent person would realize it’s their ideology that’s the problem and not the rest of the nation.

 

Yeah, you 'looked' and found nothing... why doesn't THAT surprise me.... The vote count has lagged inexplicably in Clark County, Maricopa County, Pima County, and here, in Pueblo County, Colorado. All three counties are saturated with Democrats! Funny how you guys in Florida managed to produce uncontested election results so expediently, but isn't that "Republican-ville"?

But in counties where Democrats 'rule the roost'....

 

No wonder I didn't find anything. You ASSUMED the voters are all Dem because you think those places are "saturated" with Dems. Or.......maybe you didn't assume, but just made it up

Maricopa County, which is by far the largest in AZ, and one of the largest in US
- Independent = 34.5%
- Republican = 34.3%
- Dem = 30%
- Other = 1%

Pima county
- Independent = 33.8%
- Republican = 34.6%
- Dem = 30.6%
- Other = 1%

So, contrary to the fake data you base your assumptions on, they are not saturated with Dems, they are saturated with Republicans and Independents.

Also, the State House and Senate are controlled by Republicans.

You tried to throw crap on the wall hoping it would stick. It didn't.

Why does it take long there? Because they allow people to mail their ballots up to the election date, and because they are close races. And just FYI, Arizona has been pretty deep red for very long time. The only time it went blue was when they rejected Trump in 2020.

Florida counted for 11 days in 2018, and over a month in 2000 because the results were close, but this time they were nowhere near close (as expected), so it was easy to call.

 

Ah, you did some elementary homework, although who controls a state's legislature is not (NOT) indicative of who is actually counting the votes! But, it would be interesting if you juxtapose that with how, by contrast, you guys in Florida were able to produce election results that were accurate and very timely, without having it drag out day after day after day!

Don't get me wrong (which you will anyway), I'm not an "2020 election denier", or even a Trump supporter... just someone who thinks it strange that when these peculiar 'elongations' in the vote-counting process occur, they always occur in areas where Democrats eventually win, and often because of some big batch of ballots which are just kind of 'discovered' over in a corner of the building somewhere....

 

I just told you, and if had you read the post you would not have to ask.

How do you know how accurate Florida count was?

Did DeSantis lose after 11 days of counting in 2018? Did Bush lose after a MONTH of counting? No, they. Lets fact it, deniers such as yourself will complain no matter what. Deniers wanted signature verification, and now you complain that its taking too long. The GOP Arizona candidates were trailing from the get-go.

How many of the counters are "D" and how many are "R"? You have no idea, but I did educate you that most people in those areas are Republicans so the chances are that the counters reflect that majority.

 

Can't say one way or another. I do think Republicans need to learn the art of ballot harvesting to compete in leftist states. Beat them at their own game because they have a strangle hold on ever changing the laws in those states that make it possible!

 

You like quantifications... so, here's an interesting one: your state, Florida has a population of 22 million. Arizona has a population of 7.4 million, Nevada has a population of 3.24 million. Which of those three states had their election results finished, counted, and published first...? Hell, they still don't even know who the next Governor of Arizona is, after all this time!

Here in Colorado, we still don't know whether incumbent Republican, Lauren Boebert, or Aspen Democrat, Adam Frisch, is going to be the Colorado District 3's representative in the House of Representatives... but one thing's for sure -- the 'counting' is proceeding (at a snail's pace) in Pueblo, Colorado, home of the biggest number of Democrats to be found outside of all of those nested in Denver/Boulder....

 

This is the last time I repeat it, because clearly you do not read what other people post. We did not have a close race in Florida, so it was an easy call. In 2018. we had a close race, so it took 11 days to clear. In 2000 we had a close race and it took over a month to count. Our mail-in deadline is also earlier, while in AZ you can mail until election day, so obviously it won't be counted the same day. None of this means there is fraud. Its all in your head.

Her district leans heavily Republican (only 24% Dem), so your claims are getting more and more weird, which I guess it typical of deniers. If there is any cheating, and based on your 'logic' it means its coming from GOP side.

 

OK, I get it. Colorado District #3 is "heavily Republican (only 24% Dem)" and that's why the liberal Democrat, Adam Frisch, from liberal Aspen, Pitkin County, Colorado, and backed heavily by the liberal Democrats in the Denver/Boulder corridor, is tied with her 'neck-and-neck'...?

Oh, and the vote is being counted in equally-liberal Democrat PUEBLO, COLORADO, too..?! Yeah, that probably does actually explain everything about this weird congressional race that, so far, whose lack of a concrete determination has made NO sense at all....

 

Its not a matter of opinion, her district IS heavily Republican and now even more than before because they re-drew the district to include more Republican leaning areas. You live in CO, so how can you not know this? Boebert is a nutcase, that's why people hesitate to vote for her even in a heavily Republican area.

What you should know about the district
https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/11/lauren-boebert-2022-results-explained-colorado/
The district’s boundaries were redrawn last year as part of Colorado’s once-in-a-decade redistricting process, so keep that in mind when comparing election data in the district from previous election cycles to 2022. For instance, Democratic-leaning Routt County was in the district in 2020, but not in 2022. GOP-leaning Otero and Las Animas counties are now in the district whereas they weren’t two years ago.

The 3rd District leans heavily in Republicans’ favor. It hasn’t elected a Democrat to Congress since 2008.

Boebert won in 2020 by 6 percentage points, and when the district’s boundaries were changed slightly last year it was made only more favorable to the GOP.

Voters in the new district backed Republican U.S. Sen. Cory Gardner’s unsuccessful reelection bid by 11 percentage points in 2020. In 2018, a year that was devastating for Colorado Republicans, voters in the district backed Republican Walker Stapleton’s unsuccessful gubernatorial bid by 6 percentage points. And former President Donald Trump won in the district by 14 percentage points in 2016 even as he lost statewide.

Republicans also have a voter registration advantage in the 3rd District. About 44% of active registered voters in the district are unaffiliated, while 31% are Republicans and 24% are Democrats.

 

Prediction: A mandatory recount, as required by law in Colorado, will occur eventually in this very peculiar 'Boebert v Frisch' congressional race. The latest statistics show that District 3 in Colorado has only 752 thousand people (of all ages) -- and yet in this heavily-Republican district in Colorado, Boebert's Democrat opponent, Adam Frisch, has been able to come within one-half of one-percent of her vote total. That's perhaps even more than merely being "fu*king amazing"... and that (THAT) is what has sparked my skepticism....

And the news this morning out of the Democrat-stronghold of Pueblo, Colorado, where the vote-counting is actually conducted, is that they still (STILL) have not counted all the votes -- and don't expect to have them counted for another two days AT THE EARLIEST.

 

You claim that you are not a "denier", but it turns out you are all-in with it, and you claiming Boeberts district is a "Democrat stronghold" is borderline absurd given the fact that is leans HEAVILY to Republican with only 24% registered as Dems.

No, you simply can't accept that your preferred candidate didn't win by a wide margin, so you deny the results and shriek about fraud. It is too hard to admit that Boebert is a fringe player in politics, - a political troll.

 

Actually, Pro, it was YOU who pointed out to us that Colorado's District 3 is very heavily Republican... right? Shall we go back and examine your posts? And you are right! Except for little enclaves of the mega-wealthy and those who suck a living off of them, like Aspen, Durango, and Telluride, that part of Colorado is still essentially conservative, rural, and Republican -- EXCEPT for the closest thing that this district has for a "metro" area -- Pueblo, Colorado (population 112,000)! Pueblo is thick with Democrats, and has been for over 100 years. So... guess where the 'vote counting' is taking place...?

Lastly, what I said in my first post in this thread was that I did not, and DO NOT 'deny' the results of the 2020 election... so please don't misconstrue what I actually said. Just because I feel, personally, that Joe Biden has no business whatsoever being in the White House, there is no logical reason to think that Trump was cheated out of the 2020 election. But... there are aspects of these 2022 midterm elections that seem very, VERY strange and inexplicable....

Oh, and bear in mind that this thread is in the OPINION section. Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether they have a whole file cabinet of 'proof' assembled yet or not....

 

Yes, because you were claiming its Dem leaning. I corrected you.

You are working overtime denying these ones. You thought the district was Dem leaning which led you to claim they must be cheating. Why? Because they are Dems. Then you were told the district was actually heavily Republican leaning, so you switched to a new claim. - that the counters are Dem (which you don't know), so they must be cheating. All your claims about fraud are based on assumptions about Dems somehow running the show, and that it should automatically mean they are cheating.

Your preferred candidate didn't win by a wide margin, so you deny the results and shriek about fraud. Is it too hard to admit that Boebert is a fringe player in politics, - a political troll?

 

Go back and look carefully at my Post #8, and the paragraph that reads (emphasis added), "I trusted the overall election process and this vote-counting a few days ago -- UNTIL it became obvious to me that weird, inexplicable 'delays' have occurred, and 'last-minute' batches of ballots keep showing up in various places -- but only in 'battleground' areas, in hotly-contested places that actually are saturated with Democrats. Now, I'm beginning to wonder if any of this year's elections can really be trusted at all." The observation was made to include (as I said) several parts of the United States, including Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado.

Now... concerning the District 3 race in Colorado specifically, I said (and never doubted) that most of District 3 is conservative -- but the VOTE COUNTING is being done in a notoriously DEMOCRAT enclave in District 3 -- Pueblo, Colorado, which is also the most populous 'metro' area it has.

I didn't change anything. If anything, I merely agreed with you... in District 3, Democrats are in a distinctly minority position... and yet somehow the 'Boebert v Frisch' confrontation is in a dead-heat tie which drags on for day after day...?!

My suspicions have been consistent, because in every case that it appears that there have been extraordinary delays and interruptions, it has been in Democrat-controlled 'counting houses' where there's lots of 'vote-harvesting' and 'vote-curing' going on. You can go on sniping at my opinions if you like, but at least be consistent in your 'angle-of-attack'.

One last time: it ain't who votes that decides anything -- it's who COUNTS the votes....

Oh, and the latest word of the Pueblo 'counting house' is that, for reasons that continue to be poorly-explained, the results of the race between Boebert and Frisch won't even be concluded until the end of this week, if then!

 

We can read it any number of times, but all of the areas which you claimed are saturated with Dems are actually saturated with Republicans ( I gave you the party affiliation numbers). So, if you can't trust the results, you are barking at the wrong tree.

Why do you assume independents would support Boebert who turned out to be nothing but a political troll? We know only 24% of voters are Dems, but independents are actually the largest voting block (bigger than GOP), but then again you already knew that because I shared the numbers.

I wish you knew who counts them, but you don't. You ASSUME its all Dems, because there are more registered Dems than Repubs in Pueblo. You have no idea how tinhattery that sounds,

So what? We counted for a month in Florida in 2000 and no one screamed "fraud".

 

Trust, but verify. That which cannot be definitively and positively verified, cannot possibly be definitively and positively trusted. I may have faith, but I can not have trust.

 

Well, not unsurprisingly, we agree on nothing. OK. Let's wait however fugging long it takes that bunch of 'vote counters' in Pueblo to come up with their vote tallies for the District 3 election here in Colorado, and THEN we can see with greater clarity who-did-what....

Believe this if nothing else -- it is highly unlikely that the 'vote counters' will declare Lauren Boebert to be the winner! And I can promise you that even if by some miracle Boebert were determined to be the outright winner of the election, Frisch will demand a recount, and pay for it himself, even if by another miracle the State of Colorado were to decline to pay for it (remember who has all the political power in Denver). Frisch and his fellow-Democrat buddies in Denver have deep, deep pockets, and they want rid of Boebert, NO MATTER WHAT....

 

You know, it's funny. All during the aftermath of the 2020 elections, I thought, "Yeah, I hate it like hell that a demented, rubber-stamp mediocrity like Biden won the fugging election -- but he did win it! There simply isn't conclusive evidence to support the contention that the election was stolen from Trump!" And I was accused of being all kinds of things because I believed this, too.

But now we have this 2022 election, with all its features of 'vote-harvesting', senseless delays, and 'vote-curing' at play... and, honestly, where there's THIS much 'smoke', it sure as hell does look like there's a 'fire'. Too many inconsistencies, and WAY too many delays in coming out with vote-count results. Why?