Does atheism poise a safety risk to Christians?

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Is the ideology of atheism as practiced in the USA poise a safety danger to Christians?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    You're making progress! Good! You may make a 'historian' yet!

    There has been antipathy between Christians and Jews, Jews and Christians, 'Roman' Christians and 'Orthodox' Christians, Christians and Muslims, Muslims and Jews, Muslims and Hindus, Hindus and Buddhists, etc., etc., etc., (and I've named only a few) for centuries! Decades? A short moment in time. Indeed, hatred and loathing along 'religious' lines of divisions have pulsed and throbbed as long as civilization has existed. Atheisits love to point this out because they feel it supports their conviction that no 'god' exists.

    BUT, harboring mere dislike, or even hatred for a person because of his religious preference, no matter which religion is the despised one is not (NOT) the same thing as creating highly-detailed, organized systems designed to murder, deliberately, millions of people! That is what made 'the Final Solution' so uniquely and monstrously EVIL. But, I may have lost you here... atheists don't believe in 'evil' except as an identified 'counter-point' in comparative ethics.

    Not even all Jew-loathing Nazis participated in the Holocaust, Te. Why would I say that? Because the high command of the SS-TV (SS-Totenkopfverbände) took great care to keep this mammoth 'project' secret from "Christian Europe", the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church (Evangelische Kirche Deutschlands -- EKD), and rank-and-file members of both the standard German military (Wehrmacht). The Holocaust was planned, organized, and conducted exclusively by the SS-TV, and not even the main body of the Waffen SS (which included many non-German enlistees who were presumably Christians, were allowed to know anything about it! Hitler himself was officially 'kept out of the loop', so that he would always be able to claim "plausible deniability"!

    Your post's big exposé about Henry Ford was actually a fairly commonplace occurrence in the 1930's. Many in good, old capitalist America and capitalist Europe were supportive and cooperative toward the Nazis! Why? Because of the rise of the dreaded COMMUNISM in Russia during the 1920's! If you think Henry Ford was alone, take a look: http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/american_supporters_of_the_europ.htm

    From the wiki: "Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric." . Now, what part did all of "Christian Europe" have in that...?

    Meanwhile, I don't remember the Nazis giving "The Grand Cross of the German Eagle" to the Pope. But you prefer to blame the Holocaust on all "Christian Europe"...? Keep studying... you might just learn something yet. Made any further progress on the 'Ireland/England' situation yet?

    Again (*Sigh*), atheism, per se, does not threaten Christianity. The foremost exponent of organized atheism, Communism, has failed utterly. What is left, then... the Devil? Now, now... surely no good atheist can believe in that! :roflol:
     
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  2. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is absolutely no vindictiveness in the lord my God He is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and rich in love. As far as the east is from the west, that's how far he has removed our transgressions from those that love Him and are called according to His purpose.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Donor

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    I believe what you said about Communism as "organized atheism" is very true. Communism has failed utterly but there are always those who want to try it again. That is precisely why we start to see the atheist becoming more and more vindictive.
     
  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Glad that you can finally admit to the ludicrousness of your bogus allegations about atheism.

    Baby steps but at least they are in the right direction.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your concession that I was 100% correct about the holocaust is accepted.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Why is it that people who inherently have no idea what Atheists think ( only individual Atheists do) feel they "Know" and can explain us to ourselves. Allow me to explain a little something, I am Atheist and everything being presented here is absolutely incorrect, stick to pretending you know your God that you folks say no one can know.
     
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  7. Pollycy

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    My reply was deleted, as I'm sure you are aware. I accept your defacto acknowledgement of my superior analysis of the Holocaust, and of the nonexistence of a threat by atheism to Christianity nevertheless. It is easier simply to assume victory in a debate after all ... much less effort required. Thank you for this valuable tip although I doubt it will ever be a favorite tactic of mine. I wish you also a most splendid day....
     
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  9. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why is that Atheists who inherently have no idea what Christians think (only individual Christians do) feel the "Know" and can explain Christians to themselves?
     
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    Actually little Jakeepoo...I am commenting on documented data verified by Christians (including you) right here in this thread. That you feel the need to avoid accepting its accuracy by using unoriginal sarcastic distraction from it does not eliminate it.
     
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    Because Christians make a habit of going around proselytizing.

    Atheists don't!

    Therein lies the difference that results in most of the emnity.

    Atheists don't demand that they be allowed to put up displays on public land demonstrating their lack of belief but Christians get all bent out of shape if their demands for displays of their religious beliefs are denied because they violate the 1st Amendment.

    The sequence in which these things occur is important. Christians violate the first amendment and then, after atheists exercise their right to secular government, the Christians act like they are the victims.

    As an atheist I respect that others have religious beliefs. I have no problem with those beliefs as practiced in their own homes and places of worship. As an American I will uphold their rights to their personal religious beliefs.

    But when theists try to impose their personal religious beliefs on others then, as an American, I must uphold the rights of all citizens to having a secular government of We the People.

    While the majority of Christians understand these principles there is a vocal subset who don't and it that group who cause all of the problems IMO.

    The separation of church and state is there for a reason and no one has ever come up with a better alternative or a valid argument that it should not remain as the Law of the Land.
     
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  12. JakeJ

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    What a bunch of crap. You and other atheists are more proselytizing for atheism on this forum than any Christian is on the forum, plus 90% of the attacks against the other are atheists against Christians.

    I think on the upper boards every thread on this has been atheists attacking Christians - many - and ONLY one that I started attacking atheism - and I'm not Christian. Rather, I'm anti-atheist bigotry, harassment, hate mongering.and mass murders of American Christians by atheists.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Donor

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    You are a person who endless mouths away, listening to no one but yourself. Guess how many times I've posted on the forum I'm not a Christian? I don't believe in atheism either.
     
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    Ironic given the hatemongering against atheists in that rant.
     
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  15. Pollycy

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    Ah, may we assume that you are the "greatness"...?

    Go out in your backyard tonight, if you have one, gaze upward into the sky and you will behold true "greatness". Then, reflect on the atheist's mantra in such considerations that, "No one and nothing made any of this!" How could any Christian construe that such mentalities constitute a 'threat'? We may be forced to live on a planet with these pitiable, nihilistic people, but they are no 'threat'. Neither is their self-adoring and rather amusing 'greatness'....

    Again, I wish you a most splendid day.
     
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    I'm glad you see they aren't a risk. However, I've never understood how anyone could pretend that the only options are God or nihilism. It seems not only silly, but megalomaniacal.

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    IMHO, even an agnostic person is far more rational and logical than an atheist. At least an agnostic can discuss the well-known 'inductive versus deductive reasoning paradigm', thus, the agnostic is open-minded enough to allow for the possibility of a 'creative intelligence'.

    By contrast, the atheist simply says, "The universe has always been here... it will always be here. There was no 'creation' by any sort of 'creator''". End of story. This epitomizes a completely vacuous, closed mind. BUT -- at least it is no 'threat', per se, to anyone but, perhaps, themselves.

    The saddest aspect of the mindset of many atheists appears when they decide to put this idea on display as some variety of "greatness", as though nihilism has some awe-inspiring, intrinsic 'worthiness'. More to be pitied than laughed at.... :lonely:
     
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    Well, as I just explained, it isn't as if the only options are theism or nihilism. I actually haven't met very many atheists who are nihilists, and I've met a ton of nihilists.
     
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    I can agree with you in principle. There certainly are many possibilities that a person could consider, with an open mind. But not the atheist!

    Trying carefully to stay somewhat on topic, I would repeat again, I see no threat to Christians (or believers in any other religion) coming from atheists. In a pitiable way, by sealing their minds off the way they do, a part of them is dead already. In a few more years, the rest of their lives follow, and then, for them, there is nothing. Indeed, nothing else connotes 'nihilism' to me more than that....

    *For those wondering what this 'nihilism' thing is, I offer the following after simply googling the word*

    ni·hil·ism
    ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm/Submit
    noun
    the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
    synonyms: skepticism, negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More
    PHILOSOPHY
    extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence.
    historical
    the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party c. 1900, which found nothing to approve of in the established social order.
     
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    Of course there are still many possibilities open for atheist. You don't need to be immortal to find meaning. In fact, needing immortality or the personal attention of a God in order to have meaning seems far more depressing of a position to be in. The majority of Buddhists I've met have been atheists, and they find plenty of meaning. Humanists find plenty of meaning. Neither of them require God to do so.
     
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