What? Are you getting your info about life in the wild from Disney movies or something? All animals living in the wild, carnivores and herbivores alike, have brutal and often very short lives. Animals routinely kill other animals even from the same species for other reason that just eating them. Dolphins will kill new born porpoises, lions kill cubs so they can mate with the females, chimpanzees literally tear other chimps to shreds if they are found in their territory. Nature is not kind or humane by any stretch of the imagination. There is nothing wrong with eating animals although I agree that there should be standards of care. If its available and within my budget I always try and buy free range meets. The problem is that they are usually more expensive and you can't find them everywhere. One other thing to consider is that far more animals are snuffed out in production of crops than people are aware of. Thousands of animals are killed for every acre of cropland that is harvested. The difference is of course that you don't see them because they are shredded up and included in the end product which is why you see these allowances for animal and fecal matter in grains and vegetables. The biggest problem with being a vegetarian or a vegan is that it completely denies the evolultionary process. We are omnivores and there is no way to get around that. Animal protein is NOT the same a soy protein.
So animals living a natural life, as they were intended, is basing life on a Disney movie? Is the nature of nature that hard for you to understand?
Your words... "At the very least the animals in the wild live a happy and normal life up until harvest." Life is extremely stressful and as I mentioned they don't live very long certainly when you compare them to domesticated animals. Wolves and mountain lions don't live nearly as long as domesticated cats and dogs. You are wearing rose colored glasses if you think that wildlife lives some idealized fantasy life of happiness and joy. Mother nature is not forgiving and the evolutionary process survival of the fittest is always happening.
So, you pointlessly posted a picture of another type of Baboon, knowing that it wasn't the one I was talking about, and thought that it invalidates the existence of an herbivore baboon with large, sharp teeth? That makes your post just as flawed, but almost in an even sillier way. What would possess you to think that makes any sense at all? It would be like me posting a picture of a vegan MMA fighter, and saying, "some MMA fighters are vegan," and you posting a picture of a totally different MMA fighter eating meat, and saying, "that ain't veggies!" In what world does that make any sense at all as a counter argument? Or did you just realize you screwed up and didn't know there were different types of baboons and are now backtracking yourself into an equally ridiculous place? I'm pretty sure THAT is what happened. Because I posted about Gelada's, and you said baboons eat meat; I posted about Geladas not eating meat (except a few insects), and you came back with another baboon eating meat. So, yeah, since I was talking about Geladas and you posted a totally different Baboon as proof that they eat meat, I'm preeeettty sure that's what happened. Next, you'll post a picture of a chimp eating meat as a reply to the gorilla, and say, "that ain't grass." Jesus Christ, how stubbornly dishonest. Your original claim: So, your argument is that because we have sharp teeth, they MUST be for meat. I posted a picture of a Gelada Baboon, which also has large, sharp teeth. I also posted pictures of other non-meat eaters with large, sharp teeth. You ignored the other pictures as if they didn't exist, and posted a picture of another type of Baboon, while still ignoring the fact that other non-meat eaters have large, sharp teeth. Then, you tripled down in your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the flaw in your argument, and try to argue that the Gelada's teeth is evidence that it's an herbivore...after claiming baboons are meat eaters and large, sharp teeth are proof of that. I'm done. You've dug a ridiculous hole for yourself and are calling it a hill.
LOL Please, tell this country boy with too much ammunition and too many guns how animals in the wild live.
Then you literally have no excuse for not knowing any of this then do you? You are promoting some mythical view of life in the wild that is nothing but nonsense. As long as the food is raised in a humane manner there is nothing "evil" about it at all. How is this any different then spiders capturing their prey and keeping them alive to be consumed later on. Is the wasp that paralyzes the tarantula and lays its eggs on it to eventually eat it alive when they hatch some how "evil". This morality nonsense has got to stop. The ethics only extend to how the animals are raised and slaughtered. Humans are omnivores......end of discussion. Anyone who has taken an anthropology course could tell you that. Our brain development occurred because of two primary reasons, the inclusion of meat into our diets and rapid changes in the climate over a bried period of time. I know people that group up and buy cows and pigs and then split the meat when they are slaughtered. That meat fills an entire freezer (I have had the fun time of stocking them) and that is one animal versus some idiotic, preachy, obnoxious vegetarian or vegan munching on some soy food product that has byproducts of hundreds of animals in it.
Jesus (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Christ up on a cross dude. Its a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing metaphor. Chill the (*)(*)(*)(*) out and stop obsessing over such petty bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
I never said it was your only argument, but it WAS a point in your argument, one which has been debunked.
No, he's right. Wildlife lives in a world of total anarchy, they kill each other constantly, all the time, because they simply see each other as food; and we do too, that's why we eat them. So I really don't care about that fact that they're alive, they are food and I want to eat them. End of story. I will kill them to do it because we're not plants and we can't make our own food, we have to kill things and make them our food.
Perhaps if you had read my post you would have seen this, The problem with going veg is that the diet emphasizes eating more grains such as bread products and dairy such as cheese Clearly, I wrote ''emphasizes'' and did not say it is restricted to grains and cheese. There is no scientific evidence that a strictly veg diet is preferable. On the contrary medical science always says that well balanced meals are ideal: source: Harvard medical school
I think you should jump off his bandwagon as he is clinging to the fact I used the word "happy" in describing wild animals. I find it pathetic he is clinging to that. We all know that nature is a harsh place, and there is no reason to be aggressively stupid about the whole thing.
I am the pathetic one? You are the one that is promoting a bunch of complete nonsense. You are the one that made a completely asinine statement about how wildlife lives "happy" lives. Vegetarians and vegans (the preachy ones) are obnoxious twits because they complain about how unethical it is for people to eat animals and yet completely ignore how animals treat each other in nature. The only ethics involved are in how animals are raised and slaughtered as I don't think you will find any person no matter how much meat they eat that will endorse some of the living conditions ala Tyson. But for vegetarians to run around acting like a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bags yelling how awesome they are because they don't eat meat is just stupidity on full display especially since someone who eats more beef and pork for example is consuming far fewer dead animals than some hipster munching on soy snacks. A quarter of a cow is enough meat for 3-4 weeks at least.
The government still endorses the earlier model. In fact, I visited the doctor's office last month and that model was still up on the wall. In any case, neither medical science nor the government has ever succumbed to the notion that going all veg is or even close to being ideal.
Unfortunately they would not return the favor if they were hungry. In some circumstances, humans are not the top of the food chain.
They didn't get it right with the plate either. It should be cheese, dark chocolate, sausage, pasta, pizza and lasagna. For vitamins and other nutrients a good breakfast stout beer.
My son was working on a Scout badge last year, and couldn't find any references on government websites to the Food Pyramid. Your doctor is behind the times......
Well, my doctor is a 60 year old health and fitness buff who runs marathons so he practices what he preaches.
Then he needs to get new posters. The FDA no longer teaches the Food pyramid. It changed to myplate, about 3 yrs ago. http://www.sqfi.com/2011/06/13/fda-introduces-my-plate-replaces-food-pyramid/
Those are the ones who drop dead of a massive heart attack. Just saying, you might want to have a back up doctor in mind.
Not this particular doctor - he's as fit as a fiddle. Too bad he's too busy or he would run in the Boston Marathon.
