East Jerusalem should be declared Palestinian state's capital, say Muslim world leaders

still buyin into that bs I see.

No,they are arabs, genetically and culturally. And good call that indigenous jews and palestinians are Semitic.

NO Israeli peace offers were not made to be refused. But palestinians have repeatedly claimed that because they are intransigent in their demands to go back to 1948. Of course the palestinians have their own reasons for not wanting a peace deal. They would have to work too hard to get to the minimum place that they and their government could be trusted to uphold the security guarantees that any deal would require of them, and would end the UNWRA welfare. NOt to mention an huge influx of a couple few million "refugees".

I do agree that many Israeli governments have had and currently have a "from river to sea" goal.

 

If that wasn't the case, eastern Jews wouldn't be that pale. It's about as aobvious as the nose in the center of the face.

Once again, I'd bet that today's Palestinians are a lot more semitic than the Kazhar descendents that invaded them after they have been disarmed by perfidious Albion.

Slogan with no connection whatsoever with reality. If the zionist side was well-intentionned, there wouldn't be people like Kushner at the discussion table, Kushner who finances the colonization of the West Bank, openly.

Who do you think you are fooling? Just tell me one good reason why the zionists would like to see peace with Palestine. ONE.

You are right in one thing: In the thin possibility that Palestine would become an independant nation (that is, as much independant as any nation who's got no army and no saying whatsoever about their own borders or the way tp protect them), you can be sure that the Israeli will false flag themselves to re-open the "war" (or rather resume the conquest/ethnical cleansing) before you can say "Nabka".

The Palestinains are right to be intransigeant, I'd bet you would have been much more acceptative if you were in their place. Maybe 1938's German jews were as intransigeant too - and look at were they are today. Maybe in 100 years from now the roles will be reversed again and the Palestinians will be putting the jews into concentration camps while they pretend... what you pretend today.

In any case the rest of the world agrees with Palestine.

 

Now there's some rocket surgery for ya. I see you have command of the subject of jewish genetics.

Seems you don't have a clue what semitic means. Typical.

If Trump had good intentions you mean. Oh wait I forgot Israel tells american what to do.... not.

Exploitation of their immediate geographical markets? Surely you know how greedy jews are?

But of course all those scumbag crazy Islamists wouldn't think of doing such a thing. ONly idiots would make peace with a adversary without security guarantees. To date the Palestinians have done little to demonstrate that they can be a partner in peace.

Intransigence is NEVER the right thing. Unless of course you think 70+ years of intransigence will eventually amount to something.

Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results - einstein's definition of insanity.

I can certainly empathize with the average palestinian resistance fighter, even if i think they are all dead enders that are directly contributing to this clustermucks continuation.

AS for you idiotic reference to the jews of germany, do you have any clue why so many went like lambs to the slaughter? Of course not, you don't know much about their religion. They went to their slaughter because their religion told them so.

And I can only go from what so many arabs have said in the past and even today. You know those chants of "death to Israel" "drive them into the sea" and the like. the palestinians have refined those messages into the euphamisitic high falutin' "liberation of all of historic palestine". But perhaps you missed all that or have some facile dissmissal?

 

Then pray tell what does it mean.

Yes they do. Who's elected as US President does not a difference make. US Presidents and presidential candidate must do a public AIPAC pledge. Wake up.

Would that be worth the 3 billions a year they get from US cucks, and all of the cash they privately get from ethnically cleansing Eretz Yisrael? I didn't knew Palestinians were that rich...

Safety guarantees... By the Palestinians? After all of what Israel committed on this people they shall count on a force they continually target, destroy, and keep disarmed to defend them? They don't even recognized the legitimate, elected government of Gaza and yet they expect it to mind-control Palestinians into forgiving their personal greivances and decades lived in prison? Like, they are a hive-minded people or something?

It would be just simpler if you admitted that you don't want it to happen - because it's the case. War serves Israel very well; They get financing for it, they get all the excuse they need to abuse Palestinians out of the land God gave the chosen people out of it, and what's worse, claim victimhood, as if the feeble kassams that never kill no one were too much of a price for their abuse.

The purpose of Israel is ethnoreligious warfare. God-chosen Ubermenschen fighting illegitimate untermenschen for more Lebensraum in the name of Ancient Silly Legends. And then they accuse all the rest of the universe of anti-semitism if it so much raises an eyebrow.

Why were the Jews hated everywhere they roamed? Why is Israel at war with every one of it's neighbour since its very inception? I take it by your typical liberal views except on Israel, where you are more self-righteous than conservative chickenhawks, that you are a North American jew, yes? If it's the case, how well do you sleep with these atrocities committed daily in your name? Can't you at least empathize, after what you folk went trought? Damn your tribalism, damn everyone's. Intransigence - You would be fine folk without it.

Let's see If I get this right: Jewish intransigance is fine - goy intransigence is bad. If Palestinians were in the euro jews' place in 1940, then what would happen to them would hardly be worthy of mention, whereas if it was jews who were put in hi-density concentration camps in Palestine it would be a crime, a Holocaust.

Yet that's precisely what Israel does with Palestine. You say it doesn't work? I say it does what Isreal wants it to do - that's why the recipe won't change - else they would be insane, like Einstein said. But they are not - today's situation with Palestine is no accident - it's precisely what zionists wanted. They even created Hamas, they even helped ISIL for division's sake. You place a ridiculous amount of gravita on the importance of Palestine's reaction - it doesn't matter; The West Bank has never been so meek and yet the expulsions and abuse continue as we speak. For the Palestinians it's damn if you do, or damn if you don't.

Do you expect the Palestinans to act like you? To bravely act like that? Come, take the next step and claim that the French Resistance were in fact terrorists too. I don't believe you can empathize with the average Palestinian fighter.

Objectively, Israel has been so far a curse on mankind. Not the individuals, not the jews - but the zionist regime. The exclusive, apartheid, controlling, militaristic regime of Israel. The death of the Israeli regime, not that of the jews, is a noble goal, as the destruction of the nazi regime, not the Germans, was a noble goal too.

Jews were doing better in the ME than anywhere else before zionism. Nowadays Israel's actions is the main cause of antisemitism worldwide - you guys managed to get hated by people who never encountered a jew in their lives. Congrats I guess.

 

"Force"?

You merely keep demonstrating the out-worn conservative view that individuals must be free to maximise their own access to the world's resources, according to their own abilities, up to and including use of weapons in war.

The new UN vision is for sufficient and just access to resources by all, in an environment of peaceful international commerce.

Which view will triumph?

 

Yes. That's what government does. It forces people (or in this case, states) to do things they would not otherwise do.
Under your global oversight of resources scheme, what happens if the US decides it wants to keep its grain for itself, and not send it abroad?

 

What does what mean? Light skinned jews?

BULL. what kind of jew hating propaganda do you lap up? Amazing ignorance.

'well its obvious you know a lot about cucks. If you are referring to the $3 billion in aid to Israel, the reasons for those transfers is well documented, but of course military aid with the attached requirements to use the majority of the money to buy american weapons is evil.
And the objective of the aid is to maintain stability and balance in the region.

I am certainly not surprised that certain pro palestinian cucks, especially those that are also jew haters, believe that Israel is evil because they insist on security guarantees before they lift their belligerent military occupation. That you think the palestinians should be absolved of their responsibility to MAINTAIN their end of any agreement, is yet another idiotic argument. NOBODY on the planet would "bury the hatchet" if the other side could dig it up. But then again, some people are too dumb to realize how dumb their argument actually is.

I have repeatedly pointed out that various Israel administrations have been intransigent and did not act in good faith. They share culpability.

What a stupid argument. I never saw a concentration camp with shopping malls and universities and paved roads and industries and permanent residential and commerical buildings.

Classic bullcrap from a classic.

if the situation in palestine is exactly what the zionists wanted, then the palestinians are their accomplices.

I do agree that within the ratsnest of palestinian politics they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

I most definitely can empathize with palestinian resistance fighters. I don't agree with their strategies, but I believe it is every humans right to resist a belligerent military occupation. I question the tactics used to obtain their goal of the liberation of all of historic palestine. Israel will never concede to them and their resistance only serves to prolong their people's misery.

Keep goosestepping. Your bumpersticker venom speaks volumes. Its a shame that rules prevent me from telling you exactly what i think of jew hating nonsense of the kind you spout.

 

Which is why I believe in the original vision of the UN, and the development of international law, with a UNSC that can in fact enforce that law (a vision which was squashed almost immediately from its inception, under the weight of great power rivalry).

I don't shy away from using that word "enforce", because humans can - in some situations such as we are discussing in this thread - be incredibly bigoted, ignorant, squabbling, nefarious, and self-interested creatures, up to the point of risking our own survival as a species.

Note: No-one would be able to seek to "dig up the hatchet", if the UNSC had sole authorisation over use of military force between nations.

Remember, it was the UN that voted to partition British-Mandate Palestine; if the UNSC had been able to establish that partition on the ground according to international law, well then......things would be different today.

 

That situation would be dealt with under specified 'separation of powers' arrangements (ie separation of powers between a global institution and a national government) , eg, if in fact the US found itself to be the only nation with sufficient reserves of grain to meet its own requirements (highly implausible), the US would have sole rights to determine the distribution of that grain.

Law is - or ought to be - concerned with justice that is not available in nature; a consensus of the best legal minds (eg by majority vote, as in a supreme court), independently of the concerns of self-interested individuals and individual nations, are our best bet in delineating the rules required for good relations between said self-interested individuals and nations.

Note: any limitations to national sovereignty - required by such "global oversight" - would be clearly specified, similar to the 'separation of powers' outlined in federations of states like the USA, Canada, and Australia.

I must say your appeal to rationality and the concept of justice in your above example (if that is what it is) is refreshing - perhaps we'll make an international lawyer out of you yet......

On your dreaded government "use of force", see my comment in the previous post. Of course the ultimate demonstration of "use of force" - and the most catastrophic - is war itself.

 

Facts on the ground mean it can never revert to the UN version. It no longer reflects contemporary reality. PERIOD. There not even the remotest possibility that the Israelis would contemplate such an ridiculous proposal. The recognized sovereign state of Israel will not surrender an INCH of the land obtained in 1948. They won't trade for it they wont do squat and any position predicated on them doing so is nuts. Get over it, that ain't a solution.

ARE you kidding me with foreign armed military personnel controlling Israel's border? you are kidding me aren't you?

 

And so, you believe that might makes right. Nice.

 

Obviously, its a question of balance, and which system will result in the most efficient development of human civilisation on this planet.

A rules-based system, with sanctions, or the anarchy of individual sovereignty.

You are simply demanding the right to enforce your own sovereignty.

 

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But Israel is continually encroaching on land BEYOND that obtained in 1948, as evidenced in the ever-expanding illegal W/B settlements.

I'm looking forward to the solution that enables peaceful co-existence in the former British Mandate area.

Meantime, the ignorance and bigotry of fundamentalists on both sides is problematic.

[The UNGA ought to openly explore the basis of this bigotry; after all, The Prophet conceived the Koran as a revelation of the 'true faith' based on the God of Abraham (Yahweh/Allah) - in the language of his (Arab) countrymen.....perhaps it would have been better if the Prophet had looked East for his inspiration, to the still surviving Zoroastrianism of the Sassanian Empire, with its simple teaching of good thoughts, good words, and good deeds. (More than a millennia earlier, Darius the Great, a follower of Zoroaster, had permitted the Jews to return and rebuild their temple in Jerusalem....)].

 

Interesting that creating facts on the ground adds so little urgency to the palestinian peace efforts. Comes from being fixated on the past they don't see the significance or consequence of today, let alone looking to the future

 

You should have bolded “America First' nonsense” - then I would not had to scan the rest of your nonsense.

 

“Palestinian peace efforts” is an oxymoron.

 

Nah, its there's lots of palestinians who sincerely want peace and an end to the misery. Its just really dangerous and socially unacceptable to not show solidarity. Its baked into the culture. Its the idiots and crooks and to a few too many fanatics in charge that have ALWAYS screwed it up.

 

of course, you are as entrenched in your view as I am in mine. American first - what does that mean exactly. Cute slogan but obvious to all. but it means different things to different people. What exactly is the doctrine of America First that you espouse?

 

Funny how you think your version doesn't similarly equate might and right.

 

... and ceded to it in 1994.
There's nothing illegal about a state allowing people to settle land that belongs to it.

As shall surely be evidenced in your response to my points, above.

 

jordan never ceded the West Bank to Israel.

 

did too, in many a hard core zionist's wet dreams.

 

This is Western misconception.
The Palestinians have many different factions, but each of them boast how it is more extreme than the others.
Im yet to see some Palestinian fsction calling for peace and for reconsiliation with the Israelis.
In the west we fail to see how this can be, but the facts are undenyable.

 

they cannot for it was nevet theirs

 

ever had a wet dream come true? If you have you are a lucky man.