Eat Less Red Meat, Scientists Said. Now Some Believe That Was Bad Advice.

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  1. US Conservative

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    Well they have "tiers" of sushi joints out here, from 10 bucks all you can eat to 40 bucks per roll.

    The local asian market everything needed for home made.
     
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    I've tried to like sushi and I just can't. $10 is outrageous to me. For $40 it better make my penis bigger and guarantee me to get into heaven

    As far as Asian markets go Asian community, some of them have the best seafood you can get and some of them are disgusting. I bet they would die a hundred deaths if they knew that I was taking that fish home to batter it in corn meal and deep fry it.
     
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    Carnivores ge their Vitamin C from the prey hat they chomp on.
     
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    They always lump red meat together with processed meats. I wish they would examine them separately. Personally, I would bet that lean beef is probably healthier to eat than processed turkey.
     
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    I agree. I think unprocessed lean read meat is undoubtedly healthier than processed meats.
     
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    No, they make it from glucose.
     
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    It has to be more complex than that.
     
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    A paleo diet is not a carnivore diet. Pretty much it's a diet that eliminates dairy, grains and legumes. It's meat, vegetables, nuts and fruits. It's a varied omnivorous diet.
     
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    There is not much difference between a varied keto diet with lots of low carb vegetables and a paleo diet. A paleo diet is a diet without grains, dairy and legumes. It's meat, vegetables, nuts and fruits.
     
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    They have a metabolic pathway that allows them to produce Vitamin C from glucose. Yes, it's more complicated than that, but they don't need to get Vitamin C from external sources. Only a handful of mammal species can't do this--us, other higher primates, guinea pigs and fruit bats.
    From the wiki on Vitamin C (which matches what I learned in university as a biology major):
    We can get a lot of vitamin C from organ meats, especially raw. That's how the Inuit (commonly and incorrectly known as Eskimos) get their vitamin C, as fruits and veggies are hard for them to obtain.

    That said, you are partly correct. Predators get some of their Vitamin C from their prey, but they can also produce it themselves.
     
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    They can afford it, they are for the most part, too lazy to do so. Unprocessed foods take more time and effort to prepare.
     
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    Gelatin is an animal product. It's obtained by processing animal connective tissue. If I were a vegan, I would have said the same.
     
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    Not at all. Carnivores (and the majority of mammal species) can synthesize their own Vitamin C. In addition, organ meat has fairly high amounts of vitamin C. Predators (besides humans) usually prefer the organ meats for that reason.
     
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    If you're in the first world, there is almost no danger of parasites from undercooked or raw pork. I personally like my pork chops on the rare side (just a hint of pink). Underdone pork tastes good. Underdone chicken (or any poultry), however, does not. I've accidentally eaten underdone chicken when in a rush.
     
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    True. I never associated gummy bear candy with being an animal product.
     
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    Well, sometimes you have to release a fish because it is undersized or not in season or not edible. I've done all three at one time or another while fishing.
     
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    Only if the pig had trichinosis. Since 2000, the only cases of trichinosis in the U.S. have been from wild game (bears or wild hogs, primarily) and home-raised pigs. Commercial pigs have enough regulations that they have pretty much eliminated trichinosis from commercial pig operations in the developed world.
     
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    Our colon being puny is proof that we are omnivores. Cows have long colons. Tigers have short colons. Ours is in between. Also, apes eat a lot of meat, in the form of insect/grubs, and our closest relatives, the chimpanzees, like to hunt for fun and food.
     
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    I think what they did "right" had more to do with conquering indigenous populations with primitive weapons rather than it had to do with promoting long life and health through proper diet for a sedentary population.
     
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    These terms like processed and natural are buzzwords and little more.

    I remember seeing at for natural cheese. Cheese is a processed food. You don't go out in the fields and Slay a cheese you don't harvest your cheese from cheese fields or orchards.

    If you ask me butchering meat is processing it.
     
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    Well, a great ape, or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates. The family can have pretty radical differences. Gorillas are pretty strict vegetarians while humans are omnivores. Just because panda is in the same family with a white bear doesn’t mean panda (a vegetarian) eats same foods like a white bear (pure carnivore).
    I read somewhere that there where groups of people living up north, like eskimos, whose diet was purely carnivorous for extended periods of time.
    So, claiming that our bodies evolved to properly process only plant food is incorrect. We are bipedal, don’t have giant guts (as a ratio compared to herbivores), and our bodies support extremely power hungry CPUs (brains). We didn’t evolve to eat leaves. ;)
     
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    Ha, just recently I bought ice cream in a nice elegant packaging with “all natural”, “organic” words on the label. At home I looked closer at the ingredients and they have several different thickening substances and some other crap in it, while regular Daisy ingredients is just “Cultured Milk”.
    When I was younger and experimented with vegan diet I remember coming across a vegan sour cream that somehow had trans fat in it.

    Labels can definitely be misleading. Organic or natural does not necessarily mean they are made with minimal ingredients.
     
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    As I understand it, and have observed, "processed" can mean just cooked or chopped but can mean a lot more. I find I have to be careful nowadays as I tend to let food sit in my fridge for some time before I eat it and they must not be putting nearly as much preservative in them as they used to., since I have to throw away a lot more than I used to.

    "Natural" I've been told, is meaningless advertising. "Organic" supposedly, has actual requirements or it cannot be legally used but I've been give to understand it's best to be cautious even there, always read the label, or not if you're like me and regard a Burger King Impossible burger as satisfying my vegetable needs for the month.
     
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    Hydrogenated vegetable oil is a trans fat.

    The thing that gets me about the "natural" moniker. It's for people that are chemophobic, which I find confusing, all matter is made up of chemistry

    Things with lots of ingredients are delicious.

    Organic and non GMO is a marketing trick.
     
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    Oh we are definitely omnivores. Hell, I think my diet could give those eskimos a run for their money as meat lovers, but then again I now have diabetes and nearly constant gastric complaints of one sort or another. The ravages of a misspent youth and middle age too, I suppose..

    There was this guy on tv the other day saying how our large brains evolved once the trees disappeared and we had to move out onto the plains and eat meat to survive. Climate change is responsible for nearly everything it seems
     

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