Egypt strikes 'terrorist camps' in Libya in response to attack on Coptic Christians

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    I am not so sure about the Houthis, but Iran certainly has a great deal of influence over Hezbollah and some influence in Syria.
     
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    If you are talking about the SLA, thats gone.


    If you are talking about their political side, thats just a pretty face for their militant side that endorses slaughter, with the help of Iran.
     
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    Who have they been slaughtering? What nonsense. Of course, if you are an Israeli partisan, you won't like Hezbollah because: a) they kicked Israel out of Lebanon; b) basically defeated Israel in the 2006 war waged by Israel against Hezbollah; and c) have 100,000+ missiles and rockets pointed at Israel, aimed at both deterring an Israeli attack against Lebanon as well as being a part of Iran's deterrent force in case of any Israeli aggression against Iran.
     
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    American would have backed Howdy Doody if they thought he could bring stability to Egypt. We just don't have control of the Middle East.
     
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    That was eleven years ago.. Is Hezbollah helpful at this point or a hindrance? Does Iran have any influence over Hezbollah now?
     
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    Iran presumably has a great deal of influence over Hezbollah. Whether Hezbollah is helpful or a hindrance depends on the overall posture Iran wishes to assume. If Iran wants to lead resistance to US/Israeli hegemony in the region, and has the capability to do so successfully, Hezbollah is helpful. If Iran decides one day to cry uncle and seek an accommodation with the US which implicitly or explicitly recognizes American/Israeli hegemony over the rest of the region, in return for the US stopping its aggressive posture towards Iran, Hezbollah would be a hindrance to Iran being able to find such an accommodation given the huge influence of Israel and support for it in the US.

    This is why Henry Kissinger has said that Iran needs to choose between being a "revolutionary cause" or a (confined and limited) nation-state.
     
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    Well, I don't know about all that, but I do know that Obama gave $1.5 Billion To Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood. His Secretary of State was The Generally Drunken Hillary and her "girl friday" has very close and deep ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Obama met with Morsi in the WH: “The meeting Tuesday with working-level [national security staff] officials is just one in a series of meetings between US officials, members of Congress, and representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood,”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23116465?ocid=socialflow_twitter_bbcworld

    The State Department even broke with normal procedures and ordered the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol not to conduct a secondary inspection on the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) delegation that were en route to the United States.

    This happened despite the fact that one member of the delegation had been implicated – though not charged – in a U.S. child pornography investigation, the Investigative Project on Terrorism.

    Investigators had information tying Abdul "Buggering" Mawgoud Dardery to the pornography investigation that was based in Pennsylvania. He was the senior member in the four-person FJP delegation which held court with academic groups and met with senior officials at the White House and State Department last week.

    https://www.investigativeproject.org/3525/ipt-exclusive-state-department-barred-inspection
     
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    Exactly. If someone wants to live under Sharia law, the US is not the place for them. And they of course, are free to move to a country that shares their longing for being ruled by Sharia law. We have women in bikinis, we like that, we have all sexes in the swimming pool at the same time, our women are not compelled to wear any coverings, even if that pisses Achmed off, and if our teen-age Muslim girls want to wear make up, listen to hip hop and get down with their boyfriends, they damn sure will and Achmed will just have to get over that too, or better yet, just move the hell out to Pakistan or something.

    You want to live here, respect US and our traditions and freedoms, and you are a benefit to US, sure, come on in, otherwise, bugger off.
     
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    Mohammed didn't write the Koran because he was fully illiterate (as the Koran acknowledges). It wasn't until some years after his death that it was put into written form. In that sense it is similar to the New Testament and, in fact, much of the Koran contains teachings from the Bible..

    Enjoyed the post.
     
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    Fair point. Muslims believe that the Quran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel and companions of Muhammad served as scribes and wrote them down, then after his death these writings were compiled into the Quran.
     
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    Muslims are murdering innocent people throughout the world, have had ample time to sort things out among themselves, but are still carrying on as though this was a single digit century. Some outside intervention is definitely called for.
    That is clearly not so. The United States was designed to prevent 'the tyranny of the majority', which is why the government is divided into three divisions of power and also why the Electoral College was formed.
    That is also false. The USA is one of the most successful nations in world history and has survived where dozens of other countries have failed, or tried to re-invent themselves under a new system.
    The contradictions in this statement are evident. You cannot have a 'clerical class' who also thinks freely and 'out of the box.

    Thank you for the effort and thought you've put into this post but it strikes me as being quite unrealistic.
     
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    that is certainly true of portions of the Middle East but mostly we see, throughout the world, a more repressive form of Islam taking place that no civilized state would tolerate.
     
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    Keep dreaming of ANY of that in America. Voluntary arbitrage my tiny shiny white hiny!

    Sharia law of any concept will not be tolerated in America. If any one of any faith has a problem? Converse. If they break any law it will be handled in a US court of law. Including crimes in their own homes. Civil or Criminal.

    That's all the arbitrage your gonna get here sir. Wahhabi sharia law apologism in every post.

    As to Egypt throwing down? Shrugs. The ants will scatter. Regroup. Will take more to stop them

    Keep selling that snake oil of the people wanted it.

    Yah the people are so happy now with Gaddafi gone. Islamists running all over and slave trade is so much better than the best social services in Africa and 40% of its college students women.

    Thank Hillary Rodham Clinton if your a family member of any of those dead Christians.
     
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    I'm not sure if Obama backed the MB because he agreed with their ideology or because he was clueless. My point was that the US didn't get involved in the elections in Egypt.
     
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    LOLOL We have had Beit Din in this country for more than 200 years... I get really tired of the drama queens.
     
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    Alarmingly few people understand that democracy is not the dictatorship of the majority.
     
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    US bastards destroyed Livia and now terrorists have bases in Livia. Many people became poor, homeless and angry. They become terrorists. US stupid bastards did it.
     
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    Oh please Margot
    The US very actively participated in violent regime change in all 3 countries. And continues to do so.
     
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    Why?
     
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    If nothing else, you have explained why Erdogon is so anxious to get his hands on Gulen.
     
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    Real Muslims hate terrorists so they tend to try to get rid of them.
    Doesn't that just naff up the "All Muslims" rubbish?
     
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    When they suit their political purposes they don't.
     
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    You mean like Trump's pals in Saudi?
     
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    Have you failed to notice that Muslims are fighting terrorists all over the ME? Really?
     

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