Egypt strikes 'terrorist camps' in Libya in response to attack on Coptic Christians

Not sure of your point. Nothing there contradicts a thing Ive said.

 

?????? Try to grasp a hold of a little reality if you can. I know its all warm and comfortable wraped up in that delusion of yours you've created. The real world is precisely the opposite of the one you have imagined.

 

I read his post as him saying they are ok to create whatever society they want in their own "countries". Any Sharia Law here in the US should be immediately spat upon and snuffed out.

Any religion trying to push law on our society has no place, be it Christians Jews and especially Islam. I say especially because their system of laws goes pretty above and beyond the normal and is far more extreme than Judeo-Christian laws. Either way, none of them have a place here and the people of the US would react pretty violently if after so many years of "Separation of Church and State" we all the sudden allow certain enclaves of Muslims to make their own rules.

I really hope this doesn't become a fight in the future since so many people have been prosecuted for trying to follow religious beleifs. The Baker (cake for gay wedding) comes to mind first and foremost.

Again, I really hope liberals act with the same purpose against those trying to push Islamic laws as those trying to push Christian laws. So far I have seen MUCH more leniency which goes to show the partisanship once again

 

Christianity doesn't dictate the laws to be applied. "My Kingdom is not of this world", "Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesars" and all of that. Islam dictates both the form of government AND the law to be applied.

 

You believe Brietbart????? Really?

 

The source is Al Jezera. And you whine about the messenger because the message directly refutes your silly claims.

 

There is more than 1 caliphate.

Just between 2 branches, they have a different way of how a caliph even gets chosen.

So your point there is only 1 Islamic caliphate is completely wrong.

 

Can you back the claim up, or did you pull numbers out of your arse.

 

Do you consider providing the organization of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria for the benefit of the region?
Poll Results: Voting period: From 05/22/2015 to 05/28/2015
Yeah 46060/81% No 10821/19% Total number of voters: 56 881
Back to vote Send vote * Result of the vote does not reflect the opinion of the island, but reflect the opinion of the participating members. Other Polls
http://www.aljazeera.net/votes/pages?voteid=5270

Who are the participating members of the poll?
What does 'consider providing the organization' mean? Providing what? One can make up anything they want. Providing death to ISIS is one option.

It's a worthless poll.

 

It doesn't back your claim. You said millions support ISIS. Yet you don't even know if 10 people participated in the poll.
You are pulling stuff from your backside.

 

As if you are actually interested? Which I doubt. Here, while for some reason much of the sunni middle east was left out, perhaps because they did not allow Pew to do the poll, you can easily extrapolate that there are millions out of the 1.8 billion muslims in the world who are fine with isis, suicide bombings, etc.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

Apparently you never looked any of this up, and then accuse the poster just pulling numbers from his arse. But we are used to this, coming from the faux liberals. They don't research, and seem to depend upon the lazy knee jerk reactions. It has become a joke, given how many times you see it constantly.

Of the muslim nations listed, it runs from 1 to 14 percent, but many middle eastern sunni states were left out, and one would think the numbers would be closer to 14 than one in those nations. According to the Pew link 14 percent in Nigeria is a couple million, and 11 percent in Malaysia would be 3 million in just those two. So, clearly there are millions. So the claim can be backed up, but it takes looking and thinking. But we only get knee jerks from the faux liberal tribe.

 

Worthless like the ones you depended on to show us it was impossible for Hillary to lose?

 

So where does it state 1.8B muslims are fine with ISIS? Why do you need to be an arse?
If all sunni's were left out, how can you say 1.8B is fine with ISIS.

And if you weren't so dense, you'd realize the topic in this little side discussion is there is only 1 caliphate.
But you felt some need to butt in, and not know what you are talking about in terms of what was being discussed.
So typical for binary thinkers.

 

Now what does this have to do with any part of the discussion? I never in a million years wanted anything to do with Hilary.
Why portray yourself as such a loser with stupid projections?

I gave the actual Al Jazeera link the other poster posted. Without distorting the poll results. And didn't draw false conclusions.
Do you have nothing better to do than make crap up like the other poster?

Got any more childish projections?

 

You've been more than usually rude in this thread, and One Mind is a good poster. What' the problem?

 

No, there "IS" only one. Perhaps you are again confused, speaking of what WAS.

 

Actually it does. You simply are unable to comprehend its meaning.

 

Really, how so?
One mind is not a good poster and started his post with snide remarks. I have not posted anything to him in a very very long time.

 

Silly, the second sentence says the poll has 38,000 responses. 81% of those expressing support for ISIS. Extending that ratio to the entire planets Arab population of 1.7 billion, we can conclude "millions" of them support ISIS. If the poll accurately reflected reality that would be 1.3 BILLION Arabs supporting ISIS. Even if the poll exaggerates the support of ISIS by 40 times, STILL, millions support ISIS

 

THANKS, OBAMA: Global Terrorism Has Tripled Since 2011, Now at an All-Time High.

 

Obama isn't president anymore.

 

Thanks, as I said, it doesn't back your claim. You're making the number up. For all you know, it was ISIS members polled.
And it says that in the actual Al Jazeera poll? Where? Not the link you gave.

 

If you are really interested to understand the level of support and opposition to ISIS, even among the Sunni Arabs, all you need to do is look for one of the myriad of scientific polls that have been taken on the subject. And you would quickly discover that ISIS isn't all that popular even among Sunni Arabs, notwithstanding the fact that several Sunni Arab states (along with Turkey, which is not Arab, as well as the US and Israel) did pursue policies encouraging these kind of ideologies, groups and movements as a lever against the Shia in Iraq and against the Assad regime in Syria. But, no, this is not a monster that most Arabs or Muslims really like, not even those who helped conceive it in the first place.

Incidentally, there aren't 1.3 billion Arabs. Most Muslims, in fact, aren't Arabs. There are roughly 350 million Arabs in this world and while most of them are Sunni, there are a significant minority among them who are either Shia or not even Muslim. Moreover, even among the Sunni Arabs, the Wahhabi/Salafist brand that feeds the ideology of groups like ISIS and Al Queda is followed and confined mostly in the Arabian peninsula, although a good deal of Wahhabi money has been spent promoting their sick ideology among the impoverished masses in places like Pakistan.

P.S.
On the other hand, while a minority overall even among Sunnis, it would be correct to say that groups like ISIS do have "millions" of sympathizers and perhaps a million or so who could be even called supporters. After all the money and effort put in promoting such sick ideologies, you can safely say that around 10-20% of sunni Muslims harbor some latent forms of sympathy towards the group and a much smaller percentage are sufficiently sympathetic to provide such groups a recruiting base for their barbaric and murderous ideology.

 

What you say in extrapolating the level of support for ISIS is largely correct, but in my opinion, it also helps misdirect the fire and anger to the wrong targets. Most people in most countries in the world, including in the US, are sufficiently ignorant and clueless to be easily manipulated. What is a lot more telling and significant is who is trying to peddle the ideologies that are at issue? And who is following policies designed to see these ideologies form into movements and groups like ISIS and the like? The short answer to these 2 questions is as follows: 1) Wahhabi Arabia has been pouring hundreds of millions, in fact, billions of dollars, promoting these kind of ideologies. 2) Wahhabi Arabia, along with the US and Israel, decided during the Bush administration (from 2006-07 onward) to actively pursue a policy to encourage sectarianism in the Middle East to counter the rise of Iranian influence in the region, including supporting extremist groups and ideologies who they saw as most hateful and committed to standing up to Iran and the Shia. And frankly, as macabre and disgusting as it might sound, they succeeded! After only a few years when these policies were revealed (including in Seymour Hersh's article entitled the Redirection in the New Yorker), attitudes towards Iran in the Arab world witnessed a sea change and started showing itself in most places in the region along sectarian lines. Iran and Hezbollah, which used to enjoy very high favorability ratings in the Arab world when these policies were being plotted, suddenly saw a plunge in their favorability rating among the Sunnis.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/iranpollresultsreport.pdf

P.S.
Those who wish to, are free to follow the US line that the dramatic drop in support for Iran among Arabs was due to Iran's policies. But given that this dramatic drop in support coincided exactly with the policies which Seymour Hersh outlined in 2007 as the new agenda for increasing sectarianism and anti Iran sentiments in the region, I tend to credit the latter a lot more than the former for this change in attitudes.

 

Actually, polls in arab muslim countries have shown as many as 68% or more of the population supporting terrorism; that translates to tens or hundreds of millions of muslims.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2006/05/23/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world/