Egyptian army slaughters protestors

Both sides do that sort of thing, they always have done.


[video=youtube_share;fpmFIWm1dWw]http://youtu.be/fpmFIWm1dWw[/video]

 

Well, are they posters on PF?

Mind you, Abu and I disagree on almost everything, but I think both him and Mayerling must have SOME insights that people posting from beyond Egypt lack.

 

I don't think any of us will ever forget that boy but moon you are posting it every five mins ................. Egypt is not China

 

That was last month.

 

There is a thread from someone who says they knew some one who was shot but I don't know what happened to their thread.

 

Anybody half awake would be looking at the picture posted with it. Egypt, apparently, is China.

It ain't over until al-Sisi is in jail.

 

He is more akin the The Arab Spring than now and who the hell is putting Sissi in jail ?

Blair is our business, is he in Jail ? ..... Sissi is Egypts business not ours .....

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/member-casual-chat/317480-they-killed-egypt.html

 

Your point being?

 

...what your article doesn't mention:

 

I think that the boycott and divestment movement should consider banning contact with the new junta Egypt until democracy is restored. Egyptian fascism is as unwelcome as Zionist fascism .

 

Take just one of these other parties as an example. The Egyptian Social Democratic Party had almost 200 candidates, claimed they might win 40 - 50 seats, and ended up with only 16.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15899999
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Bloc

I don't see where you get the idea that they didn't have much choice. I recall that being said about the 2012 Presidential election, but not the 2011 Parliamentary election.

I believe it was April, but the court which is still filled with Mubarak-era judges, that ruled the Parliamentary elections to have been ''unconstitutional,'' also cancelled Morsi's decree which authorised the elections that were supposed to have been held. He was going to try again for October, but obviously the army couldn't wait until then.

 

Can you provide a source to support the assertion that ''many'' were disqualified from voting, and that there was ''no time to read it''?

Given that 75% of the seats were won by Islamic candidates, it would have been surprising if Egyptians were unaware that their new constitution would not have reflected the will of the voters.

As far as I can tell, they had the opportunity to vote against it in the referendum, and most didn't bother to do so.

 

I thought it did in detail maybe that is in this one

http://egyptelections.carnegieendowment.org/2013/01/18/next-steps-toward-egypt’s-2013-elections-2

 

I don't remember now either I always forget the details but retain the essence, most frustrating ............I shall do a bit of mind prodding later now I'm to tired.

 

I have given you a couple of sources and yes I could give you more, pages of them on google, it was written about enough at the time for heavens, sake by everyone.

 

Nope, there's no mention of the low turnout for the vote on the referendum in that article.

 

If you find anything to support any of the points you are making, I look forward to reading about it when you're feeling less tired.

 

An article from the Guardian blames ''distrust and apathy'' for the low turnout.

The shortage of judges was the reason why the referendum was conducted in two stages, but was not cited as a reason for the low turnout. Which at 33%, was only 8% lower than the turnout in the referendum for the 2011 constitution.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/22/referendum-egypt

So most Egyptian voters didn't take the time to vote against an Islamic constitution, but they subsequently decided to overthrow their government, because it's Islamic, even though they've known that since Islamist candidates won 75% of the seats in 2011?

Something doesn't add up...

 

Lol ................. It was within the set up of the very complex Proportional Representation system that I felt they had no real choice, if I remember rightly and I don't think I said there was a low turn out for the referendum but that it was rushed to the vote and that some were not given the time to register for the vote and that there were not enough Judges to Judicate which is in one of the above links.

A couple of articles from then

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/egypt/2011/10/20111030151435700328.html

and a little more detailed

http://www.ifes.org/~/media/Files/P...gypts_2011_Parliamentary_Electoral_System.pdf


All this though is not on its own what has bought the present unrest come to pass but because of the faults which were not rectified before an election was called in the first place, it was all open to abuse. .

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Baby I am not Judging a whole peoples because they did not vote for a thing which was rushed through ................ why they didn't vote ? I dunno I am sure if we search the net we can come to some understanding. I thought it was supposedly badly thought out and rushed and that Judges went on strike or some such ................ I dunno. Not many people vote here either,'cos it is always The Gov that gets in.

What set the people off ? Ask Abu and why they insisted he go, Ask Egyptians that not me. I am trying to understand as I do understand their relationship with their Military is deep and trusting.

I just think they did not want a Fundi Islamic State and by that time things had been taken too far down that road ....................I am sad too that it has come to this but I can't judge whole peoples, and in this case a peoples whom my own peoples have not treated with much thought through a whole couple of centuries. People just don't always behave as we would like. Well nor do I ....I too am 'a question to myself' so how can I judge others ?


How many Egyptians understood the referendum ? And in double quick time ?


Lol How long do we all have to put up with the never ending US elections every bloody 4 years ? Maybe you should try the Egyptian way, vote whilst the ink is still wet.

 

Dead muslim brotherhood demons. What's not to like?

 

Bravo !
Really, Thank You for being here. Don't let the microcephalics (small heads) get you down.
By now you must have appreciated Americans generally do not have a very good understanding of world history. Nor the mental flexibility to discuss different view points. Just "know" some of us appreciate your views from your vantage point.
Sometimes it is best not to reply but, move to your next piece of news because it is happening fast and replying is sort of like, feeding the trolls. Like racoons they will keep coming back.
For the last few years I have had an e-friend in Istanbul, and first hand accounts do help even with the nuances of western news.

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At the risk of being totally off topic or even contributing to "thread drift" -

Is it true Islamist used Children as Shields from the military aggression?
I heard it on the news just a few minutes ago. They can's say it on the news if it isn't true. Right?

Thank you

Moi

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LOL, I read the first article, but rather than support your point, it supports mine.

For example:

Not much choice?

Please do quote anything in the links you've posted that you think supports the points you're trying to make.

Proportional representation normally results in coalition governments, as we see in Europe all the time, with small parties getting a few seats that they wouldn't have otherwise have won.

Whereas it's the ''first past the post'' systems like we have in the UK that tend to result in overall majorities, and smaller parties winning no seats at all.

So if anything, it would seem likely that the major parties in Egypt, which happened to be the Islamist parties, would have won even more than their 75% share of seats, not less, with the smaller parties winning even less seats than they did win, had Egypt not had a proportional representation system.

But if you can provide any evidence to the contrary I'd be interested to see it.

 

Yes, but they weren't voting for one party or the other, they were voting yea or nae in a referendum, baby.

I gather it's been that way ever since Nassar's coup in 1952, because that overthrew the British installed system together with it's aristocracy, and brought an end to British military occupation.

But the relationship isn't so ''deep and trusting'' with supporters of the democratically elected government now.

Well going by the 2011 election result, they clearly wanted an Islamic government at that point in time.

There's nothing I've seen in the articles you've posted that support this contention, although please do quote any text that you think is relevant.

One does not have to be able to understand the text of a constitution, to know that it's going to be an Islamic constitution, if it's been written by an Islamic government.