Electric cars will waste lots and lots of water if they catch fire

Yes, it is cleaner than petroleum extraction.. How many battery fires are in the Gulf of Mexico from a broken gas pipeline?
https://www.kktv.com/2021/07/03/undersea-gas-pipeline-rupture-causes-fire-gulf-mexico/

A downside to batteries is the chemical reactions of noxious gases.

 

Then you can't say it is a clean effort, thanks for the admission.

 

I never said it was a clean effort. I said it is cleaner than petroleum extraction.

 

Can we look at this without just emotion and try to analyze it in a more logical and mathematical way?
Or is that too complicated?

All I was saying is that this water usage was one significant overall factor that needs to be considered, when it is currently not.

(There are numerous other issues that make electric cars less attractive from an environmental point of view than it may initially appear on the surface)

 

Do you want to go down to the subatomic level also?

 

It seems like you have already decided electric cars are a much better option, and have already made your decision, and seem unwilling to open up the discussion again for fair examination.

That type of mentality does not seem to believe very much in full intellectual honesty or public debate.

One could draw an analogy here to belief & religion. People have already come to their conclusion and do not want to reexamine things again or open up those beliefs to questioning.

 

My decision is upon years of experience with ICE and electrical power operations in the US Army and in civilian life. I also love quantum physics but you may withdraw if you like. If subatomic particles scare you we can back up to larger than atomic particles, yet atoms is what make each source of power available to human manipulation.

 

I never found that to be that big of a deal

if that's what you want from a car then by all means buy one of these more power to you that option is there because people like it.

 

Sad that you MISS the PROJECTION in your own post!

 

So much for electric buses.
Report: Philadelphia’s Electric Bus Fleet in Complete Shambles
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More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregga...blic-in-16-billion-spac-deal/?sh=7994679c1ee4

 

Your article dates back to JANUARY 12, while the article Jack Posted was JULY 19 about a Cancellation of the busses in FEBRUARY.

It is clear you didn't read Jacks link, excerpt below from his article:

"More than two dozen electric Proterra buses first unveiled by the city of Philadelphia in 2016 are already out of operation, according to a WHYY investigation.

The entire fleet of Proterra buses was removed from the roads by SEPTA, the city’s transit authority, in February 2020 due to both structural and logistical problems—the weight of the powerful battery was cracking the vehicles’ chassis, and the battery life was insufficient for the city’s bus routes. The city raised the issues with Proterra, which failed to adequately address the city’s concerns."

Oooops!

 

You can expect more stories like this.
“Horror Trip”: German Retired Couple Need 26 HOURS To Make 765 Km Vacation Trip In E-Car
By P Gosselin on 21. July 2021

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A trip that would normally take 7 hours without refueling in a diesel engine car, ended up lasting 26 hours in an e-car. A German retired couple’s “horror trip” …”creepy parking lot” late at night…

Journalist Jonas Raab at the German Merkur reports on the horror vacation trip a retired German couple had to endure in their new $40,000 electric Golf, a VW ID.3 car.

Like most people buying e-cars, many do so naively convinced of all the wonderful advantages this clean mode of transportation supposedly offers. But often it all ends in huge disappointment.

Two German pensioners wanted to travel 790-kilometers from Freiburg, Germany, to the south of France, a trip that would normally take about 7 hours in a good old fashion regular car.

One problem after another

But with their brand new electric car, the trip ended up taking 26 hours, the Merkur reports. The problems: lousy charging stations, lying apps and “suddenly decreasing range indicators.” So disappointed were the two German pensioners, that they sent their travel report to German Transport Minister Andreas Scheuer and to Focus Online. . . .

 

Well , when it comes to pure power nothing beats the internal combustion engine. And that goes for convenience and speed of refill. Hybrid autos seem to do okay (I don't know I've never driven one) the idea of generating power while moving sounds good, with decreased fuel use. It seems we need something new to blow up.

 

Climate denialist idea f an electric car

 

When I was a kid we had kin in a Chicago suburb. Now this memory is kinda foggy so it could have been Fort Wayne Indiana. Anyway, I remember the trolley cars. It was the damdest thing I ever saw. It ran on rails and popped and cracked at the top. And I could smell the ozone. I wondered if I would get electrocuted if I stepped on the rail. I was just a kid.

 

Notice the pole at the top of the bus. It would make contact with the land line.

 

The dates are IRRELEVANT!

There are HUNDREDS of these EV busses on the road.

SEPTA is QUIBBLING about WHO is responsible for some damage to the handful of busses in their fleet because they want them to be covered by the manufacturer.

That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the ABILITY of the HUNDREDS of EV busses to actually move people WITHOUT emissions.

FTR cracking frames on heavy vehicles is quite COMMONPLACE/

https://www.wileymetal.com/how-to-avoid-these-2-common-truck-trailer-frame-problems/

It is entirely POSSIBLE that SEPTA overloaded their EV busses which resulted in these stress cracks.

If they EXCEEDED the manufacturer's loading recommendations then SEPTA is just throwing a hissyfit.

 

The more we learn, the worse the problem appears to be.

Cracking battery buses raise questions about electric transit ...
https://whyy.org › articles › septas-cracking-battery-bus...

7 days ago — The agency said it is now developing a new “EV master plan.” ... Proterra buses were also taken out of service in Duluth, Minnesota, ...

". . . Externally, SEPTA has said little about the failed battery bus program or its progress in restoring the buses to service, insisting that it is working on a “resolution” with the bus manufacturer. But internal communications, obtained by WHYY’s PlanPhilly through a right-to-know request, reveal the incident shook SEPTA’s top executives and triggered a serious reevaluation of its plans to convert more of its fleet to electric power. They also show that damage to the buses was discovered even earlier than the agency previously acknowledged — before the buses even began regular service.

In a March 2021 email, SEPTA General Manager Leslie Richards said she planned to tell Federal Transit Administration officials, who helped underwrite the initial purchase of Proterra buses with a $2.6 million federal grant, that she had doubts about “the future of electric vehicle procurement.”

“I plan on explaining why we do not feel the current technology is a good investment at this time,” she wrote. . . . "

 

Electric trains and electric trolleys are a little bit of a different issue from electric cars. Battery storage of that electric power is not an issue.

In fact in the old days (like 1900-1920s) a lot of trolleys were powered from hydroelectric energy from some local river. This was back before normal people had electric power in their homes.
In days since, the environmentalists have ripped apart the small dams that were on these rivers, thinking it wasn't good for the natural course of the river or the salmon and all that.

Even though this was very environmentally friendly, it probably wouldn't be a viable solution today. There are much higher electric power demands and much larger population size.

 

Had them here too. They were a good idea. Still running in Melbourne

 

He he, you are missing the point on WHY Proterra made those changes in the first place and why SEPTA had a valid reason to shut them down.

You are just flailing now.

 

Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING your own issues onto others.

There are approximately 500 EV busses in use nationwide and hundreds of thousands of them in use worldwide.

https://www.ies-synergy.com/en/electric-buses-where-are-we/

As usual CA is the LEADER when it comes to GREEN initiatives.

Your SEPTA ANECDOTE does NOT have the slightest impact on the implementation of EV Bus Fleets nationwide.

 

Problems in California.
Stalls, stops and breakdowns: Problems plague push for ...
https://www.latimes.com › local › lanow › la-me-electri...

May 20, 2018 — Largely unbeknownst to the public, electric buses made by Chinese battery maker BYD Ltd. are contending with a record of poor performance ...

And New Mexico.

Report Examines BYD's Failed Electric Bus Rollout in ...
https://www.americanmanufacturing.org › blog › report...

Nov 6, 2019 — The problems were evident from the moment the first BYD buses arrived in the Duke City in 2017. The vehicles didn't meet their promised ...

 

It sounds like there is progress that still needs to be made on EV technology. That industry still needs help to compete and improve.