Eric Trump spent hours pleading the 5th Amendment more than 500 times

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  1. FreshAir

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    never happened, was fake news
     
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    If it never happened, how is it fake news?
    Still living in pretend land are we. Thats some place you created for yourself.
     
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    "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is".......
     
  4. FreshAir

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    if it never happened, it's fake news made up by republicans
     
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    Mine wasn't -- now get with the program and get off the Blue Terror Train !
     
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    Hillary Clinton spent decades responding this way or with 'I don't recall' at every one of the numerous hearings and depositions she's endured.
     
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    And she’s your compass for honesty? Lol
     
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    Can you share examples of why a not guilty party would plead the 5th Amendment?

    Also, does it ever strike you as odd that Trump is constantly trying to silence people and make everyone under the sun sign NDAs? What or why do you think that is?
     
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    The charge is speeding. That charge does not change depending on other circumstances. Cooperating with those other questions helps you. Just a few "sorry sir" is your best response instead of being a jackass by refusing to answer those minor questions

    I've been stopped few times for speeding and not once charged, just told to watch my speed
     
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    Funny, I thought she'd be yours.
     
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    Not really. We as a people have a right to remain silent so our words cannot be twisted, misrepresented, or used against us. In fact the prosecution tried using Rittenhouse's silence leading up to the case as means of guilt but the the judge correctly pointed out that that is an American right. The government does not have the right to compel you to speak and is in fact recommended by experts to not say anything simply because it will be used against you by those who seek to see you punished whether justifiable or not.
     
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    So true. The left irrationally suggests that he is guilty due to his silence.

    I’m sure they got em this time though.
     
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    The intent is the intent, regardless of the number of times it is invoked. You should know a prosecutor is supposed to be prepared, and should be able to build a case absent self incrimination. no?
     
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    It's kind of like when you refuse to take a drug test for your employer or the police. Yeah, maybe you're doing some kind of theater about standing up for rights or whatever, but it's much much more likely that you're not taking it because you'd fail it.

    It's certainly a person's right to invoke the 5th amendment, no one is disputing that. It's just that when you do, you're almost certainly doing it to avoid incriminating yourself. That's the whole point of the 5th amendment protection against self-incrimination. To avoid incriminating yourself. You can't incriminate yourself if you didn't do anything wrong.
     
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    Good for him. More people should learn not to say a thing to a mob of zealots with pitchforks looking for a reason to poke them.
     
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    You made the OPs point for him. You plead the 5th to avoid incriminating yourself and others. It's your right to do so, without question. But of course people are going to question WHY you're doing it, and the most obvious answer is....to avoid incriminating yourself or someone else!
     
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    I am more worried about a tear in my defenses during a "cling-on" attack :)
     
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    That's what too much of the Blue propaganda kool-aid will do to a person .. Tragic really.
     
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    No ... its not like that... at all. The claim is that only the guilty would use the 5th .. and its a false one.. there are many reasons to plead the 5th ..even if one is not guilty.

    Your assignment - should you choose to accept it - is to come up with just one .. one reason why someone charged with bank robbery - asked where they were the night of the robbery - would plead the 5th ?

    Just one reason -- something other than because they were doing the robbery :)
     
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    I just gave one example earlier. Obamas IRS.

    No it doesn’t strike me odd. I know why he does it. I 100% believe he slept with stormy Daniels. I really don’t care though. Just like I don’t care about any of the other past presidents sexual encounters so long as it wasn’t a coerced or illegal encounter.
     
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    Either you are lying to yourself or your knowledge of constitutional law is close to zero.

    The purpose of the 5th is to protect a witness from incriminating himself.

    This is the reason why it was created.

    It may have another function on the planet where you live, but not on Earth.
     
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    This is not a criminal case. In civil cases it is permissible to draw an adverse inference when a defendant pleads the 5th in response to evidence produced against them.
     
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    come now -- this is Me you are talking to -- .. the one that hands it to you time after time - on every occasion - yet you don't learn.

    The question is whether someone would plead the 5th .. even though they are not guilty of the crime.

    So for example - Say the charge was bank robbery - and you are being questioned where you were the night it happened - but had nothing to do with the robbery.

    Now on planet earth .. can you not come up with a reason why this person would plead the 5th ?

    Clearly you failed the test the first time out .. but no worries we give second chances ..

    Floor is yours mate .. You can do it .. I have faith in you .. one reason why this person would plead the 5th - exercise that right to remain silent :) ..
     
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    Actually - there are completely valid reasons that an innocent person might invoke the 5th or remain silent.
    In the came of a bank robbery, the innocent person might have been walking past the bank when it was robbed. Admitting to being at the location, at that time, may tend to incriminate him. It is a piece of evidence that could be used against him, even if he is innocent.
    So remaining silent cannot be used to draw an adverse inference in a criminal case.
    However, refusal to answer a question (pleading the 5th / remaining silent) CAN be used to draw an adverse inference in a civil case.
    That’s really what this thread is about. Dirty donny bonespurs essentially said that he thinks people who plead the 5th are guilty. You can’t use that in a criminal trial, but that’s what he said. So it is ironic that his son went on to plead the 5th 500 times. Using his own words as a reference, dirty donny must think his son is guilty. (Actually, he probably KNOWS him to be guilty.)

    It’s fair to draw the inference that Eric is concerned he is guilty of a crime. He might not be, but pleading the 5th certainly indicates he is concerned.
     
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    Pleading the 5th does not mean guilt but it means you are exercising your right NOT TO INCRIMINATE YOURSELF. Means, you are not outright denying or offering evidence that supports your innocence.
     

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