Evidence severely lacking for claim that most of Flight 93 had buried

there wasnt even enough evidence to prove there was a plane much less buried plane LOL

 

I think we can put this entire idea to rest by simply agreeing that there is no documented evidence that most of Flight 93 was buried, be it photographic, video, or even "officially".
Sufficed to say that no evidence means no evidence. There IS NONE. It certainly would have reared its ugly head by now, if there were any.

 

And what good would that do when you have already said

Bull. You'd say it was faked or that there was "no evidence" that it was genuine.

Riiiight.

None specific enough that you would accept anyway. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. A plane crashes at over 500 mph at about a 40° angle into soft ground. What didn't disintegrate is . . . where?? Where else would it be if it wasn't buried??

Oh, I forgot, the important word is "most".

You folks are good at word games. Critical thinking, not so much.

 

A decade of 9/11 Denial summed up quite nicely.

They seem to think that if they show that only 49% was buried, or that it was "burrowed" or "in a hole" instead of "buried", that somehow disproves the entire account of 9/11. Not only can they not see the forest for the trees, they're looking at rocks on the ground and calling them trees.

 

As I stated in my opening post, I am not interested in conspiracy theories about whether the wreckage found was planted or not. I am pointing to the balance of probability gleaned from innumerable studies of air crashes, and the wreckage patterns generated from them. It must be evident that there is no parallel between an aircraft hitting water and one diving into the ground. The resultant debris is disposed quite differently. Any reasonable person would concede that.

However, I have made what points I intended, and I do not have enough information about this specific event to fruitfully continue this discussion any further. So thanks for your input.

 

I was attempting to communicate in the manner you think it really important. I should be given a thank you for going out of my way like that.

Only in the world of logical fallacies.

 

Good point!

I know. I kinda feel sorrow for the skeptics. They believe in something they have the most minute evidence to prove. Kinda like believing in a God.

 

Versus someone like yourself who has absolutely zero evidence to prove what you believe in.

Hypocrisy much?

 

The only evidence that article gave that it was buried was the author saying so. That's what I meant.

If you show me witness accounts that go into detail about how they saw debris being unearthed out of the excavated hole, I'll take that into account. Can you?

So do you have video?

It's actually true. How much visible debris do you think there is at the scene before they started picking it up? No right or wrong answer -- just want your opinion.

That's what we want to know, where was it all?

So was most not buried? We are just going on what the news reports are telling us.

 

Can you prove that amount? How about 30%? How about 20% How about 10%? How easy do we have to make it for you OS believers?!?

 

So if you were on trial for rape, you couldn't use the lack of evidence they were even raped as evidence you didn't rape them?

 

The lack of evidence would be the lack of evidence.

 

yes or no to my question?

 

Well. what are you saying? That no plane went down? that there is no plane or passengers obliterated and incinerated in that ground? There was some debris that was some distance from the plane. A substantial piece; perhaps more than one. What would happen to a plane crashing into the ground at 550 mph?

 

Yep.

It would shatter. We are not disagreeing with that, just where we were told most of the shattered piece were.

 

Evidence Summary regarding UA93: 10 Points

1) The four hijackers purchased tickets under their own names and boarded the plane. One was randomly selected for and passed additional security screening. Ziad Jarrah was a licensed pilot and had recent training on professional large jet flight simulators. United flight 93 was scheduled to depart at 8:00 am, but left 42 minutes late due to airport traffic. Aboard were 33 passengers, 7 crew members, and 4 hijackers.

2) Several passengers and crew called from the plane, spoke with loved ones, described the hijackers' attack, and related their plan to try to retake the plane so that it would not be used as a suicide weapon against a populated area. All but two of these calls were made using the plane's seatback airphones.

3) The cockpit voice recorder recorded the hijackers' attack and apparent murder of the pilots and a flight attendant. Air traffic controllers heard a radio transmission by a man with an Arabic accent, warning of a bomb on board. Passengers reported that one of the hijackers had what appeared to be a bomb strapped to him.

4) After learning about the other attacks, passengers and cabin crew attempted to retake the cockpit but were apparently unable to gain entry. The sound of their attempts was recorded on the CVR. The CVR also recorded the hijackers' decision to end the flight, followed by repeated shouts of "Allahu Akbar!" ("God is greatest.") until the plane crashed. Families of victims heard the CVR recording.

5) Flight 93 was tracked by radar until it went down.

6) Many people in Pennsylvania saw the Boeing 757, traveling at low altitude and high speed, roll to the right and plummet upside-down, nose first, towards the ground. Many people witnessed the subsequent enormous explosion and fireball. Val McClatchey photographed the mushroom cloud, Dave Berkebile video taped it.

7) Hundreds of first responders (mostly volunteer firefighters) and crime scene investigators were quickly on the scene. They saw human remains, aircraft wreckage, personal effects, jet fuel, etc.
The cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered and had usable data, all of which is consistent with the other evidence.

8 The remains of every victim was positively identified. Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller personally collected many remains and made 12 identifications through fingerprints and dental records. Personal effects of most passengers and crew were recovered and returned to their families.

9) Hijacker identification documents and personal effects were recovered, along with the remains of four people identified as the hijackers through the process of elimination.

10) Nearly all of the aircraft was recovered by professional investigators and by civilians. The debris was returned to United Airlines after being examined for evidence of explosives use.

Points of evidence that UA93 crashed right there.

 

Evidence severely lacking for claim that most of Flight 93 had buried

 

Firsthand Eyewitness Evidence.

 

what are you basing your suspicions on? your reading, your distrust of government or the military?

 

At Shanksville, which was by far the smallest of the three 9/11 crash scenes, over 1,100 people from 74 agencies and organizations worked at the scene. Including civilian volunteers, many of whom joined an organized effort to collect aircraft parts, the number of crash scene workers reaches well over 1,500.

On 9/11 alone, these included: • 8 Police Departments • 7 EMS Services • 8 Fire Departments • 10 Emergency Management Agencies • NTSB • ATF • FBI • CISM • Red Cross • United Airlines
Source

 

The title of the thread.

 

Ask better questions, preferably one's that aren't built on the premise of logical fallacies.

The lack of evidence would be exactly that: the lack of evidence.

You are attempting to shift the burden of proof.

 

Volunteer first responders on 9/11 included:

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company,
Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company,
Central City Fire Department,
Berlin Fire Department,
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department,
Listie Volunteer Fire Company,
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department,
Somerset Ambulance Association,
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department, and the Hooversville Rescue Squad.

...Members of the Shanksville and Stoystown departments spent about 1500 hours at the crash site.

Firsthand Eyewitness Evidence.

 

Funny you can't answer my simple question. But then if you answered it and answered it honestly, you'd have to apologize for calling me a hypocrite.

 

Contact information for some flight 93 crash scene responders:

Shanksville Volunteer Fire Co, Shanksville, PA 15560.
Terry Schaffer, Chief; Rick King, Ass't Chief

Somerset County Emergency Services 100 East Union Street, Somerset, PA 15501

Westmoreland County Dept. of Emergency Management 12 Court House Square Greensburg, PA 15601

Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency Harrisburg, PA 17101

A partial list, a more detailed one can be found in the first version of this thread.