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Evolution is a Religion - VIII

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DBM aka FDS, Aug 24, 2019.

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  1. Imnotreallyhere

    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    Define evolution.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations. These characteristics are the expressions of genes that are passed on from parent to offspring during reproduction, and it's why your great, great, great granddaddy was condescended from a monkey.
     
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  3. Imnotreallyhere

    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    That doesn't explain some of the things we see in the world. For example, bats and cetaceans have an echolocation ability. This requires that a vocal apparatus evolve, plus a hearing apparatus that can recognize the vocal apparatus evolve, and also that a brain capable of differentiating that vocal apparatus from all others evolve simultaneously.
     
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  4. Imnotreallyhere

    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    Actually, it's a theory about what might be a biological process.

    Not denying evolution, but there are things about it that require further explanation.
     
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    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    So it is not - by definition - not a religion, as posted by Robert Allen.
     
    Imnotreallyhere, Aug 30, 2019
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    A religion requires a superhuman controlling power.

    Scientific theories don't require those.
     
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  7. Imnotreallyhere

    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    The word is 'descended', not 'condescended'. Just so you know.
     
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  8. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    I know.

    Screen Shot 2019-08-30 at 11.47.51 AM.png

    I'm making fun of the dummies who don't believe in evolution.
     
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    There is no might, about it. We know that is what it does.

    Not really.
     
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    Actually, 'condescended' is not a bad word for those who cannot understand evolution - even monkeys would look down on them....
     
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    Correct. Evolution is a religion.

    Science is defined as a set of falsifiable theories. Evolution is not falsifiable, since we don't have access to a working time machine to see what actually happened all those years ago (ie, test the null hypothesis of the theory). Therefore, Evolution is a religious theory. It is a religion.
     
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    No, it by definition is not a religion.
     
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    Evolution, by definition, is not a religion.
    Evolution is falsifiable. We observe evolution in the lab. It is one of the most tested and confirmed theories in all of science.
     
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    they do not have to evolve simultaneously, that is not how evolution works

    life can evolve, devolve, so paths can die out, some can even now be manipulated by man
     
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    We do have access to a working time machine, three in fact: the fossil record, observation - you can see it happen! - and DNA. If you're unable to understand those things then it's probably wilful ignorance: it conflicts with your worldview and therefore you don't wish to hear it. More fool you.
     
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    Evolution doesn't require a superhuman controlling power, therefore, it's not a religion.
     
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    your confusing how life evolved with evolution

    that would be like saying gravity doesn't exist cause we do not know exactly how it came to be... we know it 'is' regardless as we can test it and see it happening

    https://www.yourgenome.org/facts/what-is-evolution

    "evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection. "
     
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    None of those things take you back to that time period.
     
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    Religion does not require a "superhuman controlling power"... All it requires is an initial circular argument (ie, fundamental assumption) and additional argumentation stemming from (and dependent upon) that initial circular argument.

    Is Buddhism a religion? Buddhism does not require a god of any sort. Same with Shinto.
     
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    No, I'm not. We don't know whether or not current life is the result of mutations of earlier and more primitive life forms. We weren't there to see what actually happened...

    Natural Selection has been falsified. Natural Selection would eliminate the very variety which it needs to select from. The existence of the albino trait also falsifies it.
     
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    never said otherwise, I said evolution is real and happens

    as for how we evolved .... for all we know aliens tinkered with our dna in the past
     
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    You talk like someone who knows, when all you know is what you've been taught by authority figures.

    Tell ya what I know: if your great, great, great granddaddy was "condescended" from a monkey, you're not a human being.
    If anthropic macroevolution qualifies as such, they don't require testability either.
    Do feel free to keep it coming.

    8)
     
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    Evolution is

    1) not a pipe dream
    2) A Theory not a hypothesis .. meaning it is backed up by scientific fact.

    Evolution is simply genetic mutations that happen over time - the mutations that give a organism a survival advantage tend to survive better - those that do not die off quicker.

    Your claim that genetic mutations do not happen - is simply false. You can open a textbook and read about how these mutations happen.

    What you can't do is open a textbook and find out what God is - what God thinks - and so on.

    One is a scientific fact, the other is things that humans make up that can not be proven.
     
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    You don't need a time machine. We can witness evolution happening right here in the present.

    Genetic mutations happen -
     
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