You reject evolution because of your religious beliefs. You’re a creationist; own It. The following are some of your posts from the R&P forum; I hi-lighted what I consider usual creationist claptrap. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/why-do-atheists-think-that-religious-people-are-delusional.421596/page-5#post-1065313527 #99 1. WillReadmore said: ↑ It is NOT a two way street. The methods of science are VERY different from the methods of religion. Expecting ANY kind of equivalence is ridiculous. The rules for each simply don't allow for that. Prunepicker said: Wrong again. It IS a two way street. The methods of science are very similar to the methods of religion. The same rules apply. #100 1. FreedomSeeker said: ↑ Based on the growth and progress of science, I'm thinking we'll know what happened before the Big Bang w/in 200 years. Prunepicker said: Cop out. C'mon you really believe this? Where is the evidence? Any at all. Put up something or shut up. You didn't answer the question. How did life occur from lifeless molecules? How did the so-called big bang happen? Here's another good one for you, how did chaos (the so-called big bang) create order. That completely contradicts thermal dynamics, i.e. order cannot come from chaos. Do you have yet another non answer. FreedomSeeker said: ↑ The Bible can tell us about 6000 years back, and science about 13 billion years back (but no, not prior to that, yet), so science can tell us our history, correctly, over 2 MILLION times (6000 times 2 million is under. Prunepicker said: Wishful thinking. You're trusting someone you don't know for evidence? How do you know they didn't fix the numbers? That's what they do with climate change and evolution. Good grief. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-evolution-real-please-read-mod-warning.407802/page-30#post-1065053900 #582 Prunepicker: I really don't count evolution as science because much unscientific additives must be added to the mix. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/part-34-of-post-your-tough-questions-regarding-christianity.446908/page-30#post-1066931364 #592 Prunepicker: Yes, your belief is a fairy tale and has no basis in reality. The Bible on the other hand is factual and is totally based on reality. If you could provide evidence to support your case then you would. You haven't. Thank you for bringing that up. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/part-19-of-post-your-tough-questions-regarding-christianity.366243/page-31#post-1064127141 #603 Prunepicker: That's not what the religion, I mean, theory of evolution says. According to the Bible, that doesn't follow evolution, man was created last. Created and not evolved. Yes, humans are far more advanced but there is no way that Chimps, as cute and remarkable as that are, came after mankind. There's no doubt about that. If an evolutionist will take the time to think this through, if humans evolved from chimps and apes why do we still have chimps and apes? I've not heard a reasonable rebuttal to that basic "evolutionary" fact.
Yes, you've used that as an excuse. Why do you ignore the fossil records? The evidence should be every where is it really exists. Face it, you don't have anything that supports evolution actually happening. Don't feel too badly, neither do any other evolutionists. Everything is extrapolated because there is no evidence. In other words, they have to make it up.
My religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. I'm totally relying on the lack of evidence. You, on the other hand, rely totally upon your religious beliefs in evolution. Own it. You certainly aren't using science. And not once did you provide any scientific evidence that I'm wrong. A totally expected attempt from those who can't support their evolution religious beliefs with science. Just your usual hubub and pablum puking. I'm still waiting for you to put up or shut up. Produce evidence of a species gradually transitioning into another species. That's what evolution is all about. Remember? The gradual transitioning of a species into another species. Next cut and run with no supportive evidence of evolution whatsoever in 3, 2, 1, ...
You did no such thing. The only thing you put up was a species remaining the same species. The fact that it hasn't become another species is self discounting. Maybe you'd do better if you didn't just read the headlines.
Your religious beliefs have everything to do with it; your history of posts on this site are proof of that. Evidence for evolution has been provided to you numerous times in this forum. Scientists aren’t losing sleep over what clueless creationists (like you) think. Stick with the supernatural if that’s what you’re comfortable with and leave science to those that understand it.
I think this is what we call a strawman argument. This isn't what I have seen as evidence to support evolution as a model of modern biology at all. Not everything in science needs to constrained by the direct experimental testing of hypotheses. Hypotheses can also be tested by making a variety of observations and seeing if the hypothesis is able to consistently explain pertinent observations. So for evolution we will notice a progression of species in the fossil record, but we can also analyze the DNA of species that exist today to see how closely species are related. Combining these two data sets and seeing that they are congruent lends much greater support than either set of evidence alone, and this is just an example.
Neither you no Willreadmore can have any tools or knowledge to distinguish between science and religion. I am not saying Prunepicker can. But he asked to show him transitional fossils. And everyone who believes that they observe appearance of new species from old ones started from "we showed transitional fossils to you many times" and have continued with "we showed transitional fossils to you many times". In their minds they did, but their minds have nothing to do with observation of the reality where new species do not appear from old ones, but species disappear, go extinct.
I'll just add that what I've posted has included examples where no fossil evidence was required, as he just discards such evidence out of hand.
has it occurred to you that he just doesn't have the mental acuity to grasp what everyone has been telling him...could be he's just a troll but I'd go with "not the sharpest tool in the shed"
Not true. My religious beliefs have nothing to do with creation or your description of it. I'm not a creationist. You've made it abundantly clear that you have very little education and nothing in science. You just parrot what you've been indoctrinated with. That's shown by your illogical thinking and your reliance upon hate and intolerance to attempt bolster your cause, which you've can't because of the lack of evidence. You can't produce the evidence necessary to support your faith in evolution. You simply and blindly accept it like most uneducated folk do. You can't accept the absolute fact that just because somebody allows science for their education that they're wrong because they have reasoning and problem solving skills. According to your posts you don't have either. What you really can't stand is that I've destroyed your belief in evolution and you don't like it. Instead of owning up to it you find it necessary to run farther from the truth because it doesn't fit your religious belief in evolution. Own it. Look, I've asked you and everyone else on this thread to produce the evidence that evolution is real. You've either done nothing or you've been shown the error of your ways. But that's what happens when educated people like me have to deal with horribly uneducated people like you.. You rely upon google. I don't. You rely upon hate. I don't. You are totally clueless about science. I'm very educated in science. Correction evol\utionists aren't going to lose sleep about what the fact that there is very little evidence to support evolution. But if believing in your supernatural belief in evolution makes you feel comfortable then fine. I'm going to rely upon science. You're going to belief in the myth of evolution. My religious beliefs have nothing to do with it and I'm not a creationist. By the way, being a Christian doesn't automatically make someone a creationist. I'm totally relying on science and the lack of evidence. You, on the other hand, rely totally upon your religious beliefs in evolution and hate. Own it. You certainly aren't using science. In fact, science doesn't have the evidence either. Just some fossils of species that look like they might be related but really aren't. Your next salvo of unscientific blather in 3... 2... 1...
Whatever gets the short-bus to the Creation Museum. If you think that fossil evidence is the only evidence for evolution, either you don't understand the evidence,ignore it,or both.
Evolution is so accepted among scientists that it is a principle foundation of all biological sciences. The evidence for evolution in the fossil record is massive. But, it's also something watched in the lab. Suggesting you reject evolution but accept science is simply hilarious.
Evolution theory is perceived by many to demonstrate that science is in opposition to religion. As a fairly religious nation, the result is an increase in opposition to our system of education even through to seeing higher education as a source of religious and political opposition. Our economy is moving toward automation, information, high tech, clean energy, and advances in medicine. High school is just plain not enough to keep America competitive. Plus, those starting successful businesses are known to come overwhelmingly from those with college degrees. And, our political decisions can not be optimal without inclusion of science - analysis of problems and solutions, proper interpretation of statistics, etc. Even just from an economic competitiveness point of view, this anti-education factor is a problem.
To everyone watching, or "lurking" as they like to say on the internet, I'm happy to say this thread is going along wonderfully. I'd like to welcome our guests from DWRR (you know who you are) as well. Hosted by Prunepicker at the moment (seeing as ChemEngineer is currently out of commission from his or her own thread) we will witness the responses by the theistic anti-evolutionist/s here. I know that our reasons for being here differ greatly, but we appreciate your assistance in the CVSD, so as promised we've decided to provide you with hosts for your RR game. One of which is to be your "star of the show". Watch for Prunepicker's responses, and good luck.
The fact is that even if you aren't a creationist, (maybe you simply don't like the label, because you fit the definition) you are still a being hypocrite by being a Christian, believing in things that don't have scientific backing. Otherwise, you would have provided that evidence already to prove me, and many others wrong.
Could you provide the evidence for these claims please? http://politicalforum.com/index.php...volution-redux.504291/page-23#post-1067744546 http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ism-is-abstract.425438/page-3#post-1065392370 http://politicalforum.com/index.php...volution-redux.504291/page-21#post-1067674356 http://politicalforum.com/index.php...g-christianity.446908/page-30#post-1066931364
Right now, Prunepicker is going to avoid providing evidence for my posts. Here are examples of his or her hypocrisy. It is important for those of you not "lurking", to read Prunepicker's posts and to ask him or her to provide scientific evidence. Seeing as that is what Prunepicker claims to base everything they believe on. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...volution-redux.504291/page-23#post-1067744546 http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ism-is-abstract.425438/page-3#post-1065392370 http://politicalforum.com/index.php...volution-redux.504291/page-21#post-1067674356 http://politicalforum.com/index.php...g-christianity.446908/page-30#post-1066931364
Anyone with Google can instantly produceountaons of evidence. The fact that there are mountains of mutually supportive evidence is precisely why evolution is generally a cepted as fact. And that, of course, is the opposite of faith.
Apparently you haven't taken a college science course. I have taken many hours of college science, biology, zoology (including labs) and physics. Have you just accept evolution as a fact without doing any research to see if what you've been told stacks up with the evidence. The truth be told, there are mountains of reports and papers but there aren't mountains of evidence that provide a clear traceable trail for evolution evolution. If that evidence existed you'd have put it up and so would the others. They haven't and you didn't. You'll find that the more you try you're going to find that you won't find that "holy grail" of evolution. By the way, Darwin said that the evidence would be found in the fossil record. It hasn't been found. You can google to your hearts content and all you're going to come up with is extrapolation with artistic renderings. There are mountains of articles that say, "maybe", "perhaps", "it might have", etc... But nothing that absolutely confirms evolution took place. I'll ask you, just like I've asked many times, would you please provide evidence of a species gradually transitioning into another species? That's all I've asked for. Before you put up a link PLEASE read the article first, not the headlines. Many on this thread will do a "quick google" thinking they've got evidence only to find that the article didn't say what the headline said. Please read first. By the way, I'm not a Creationist in case you try to go that route. Being a Christian does not make one a Creationist nor is it a requirement.
I have a degree in physics. And you are full of it. Of course, if you think you can challenge the fact (it is a theory, and it is accepted as fact) of evolution, start publishing your science. Otherwise...enjoy shouting into the mirror.
