FBI Seizes Oath Keeper Lawyer’s Phone in “Seditious Conspiracy” Investigation

You would think Pearl Harbor was attacked on Jan 6.

 

There were thousands at the Capitol. Over 800 illegally entered. Over 600 have been charged with everything from misdemeanors to felonies. And, these were federal crimes. While there have also been federal violations elsewhere, the vast majority stemmed from local violence growing out of state and local law. You'd have to define the specific crimes you want to discuss.

 

No, just the center of governance in America, the Capitol.

 

That's what the investigation is for...I believe there are around 31 oath keepers under investigation for seditious conspiracy...one has pleaded guilty so far.

 

No one has pleaded guilty to Sedition. Quit with the propaganda.

 

He was asking them to break the law. Civil disobedience is not a presidential prerogative.

 

I presume the one pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy is pleading guilty to seditious conspiracy.

 

The reason why nobody seems to cares because she was wearing a red hat.

 

Compared to 8 months of BLM riots it was the orders of magnitude more peaceful. Didn't even burn anything down or create an autonomous zone.

 

The FBI certainly didn't care but then what do we expect from the Federal bureau of incompetence.

 

No one asked for a link yet, but I'm going to ask for the link.

 

No problem...Newsmax, September 13, 2021, "Oath Keeper Members Indicted in Plot to Storm U.S. Capitol." It points to three indicted, one of whom has said they'll plead guilty. The other two haven't pled yet. The others are under investigation. Lawyers can't claim "client privilege," if it can be shown they are part off a conspiracy.

 

And I hope every one gets 20 years. I wonder how many have been hunted down with the same enthusiasm for attempting to burn down federal court houses, assault at the SCOTUS, taking over the city of Seattle, burning down the church at the WH and attacking and wounding over 50 Capital officers at the WH?

We already have a compromised FBI. How many people in this country are going to get behind this investigation if its just the one incident while everything else is overlooked. Do you feel its more important to just get Trump at all cost, or find a way to stop the division in this country. What good is it going to do even if everyone who were in attendance goes to prison if more than half the country thinks its nothing but a political stunt?

If the long game is of no interest then swing away. Go after Trump with everything you can muster. But when your all done with that, you haven't resolved anything but your own hatred for one person. I don't give a s*** what happens to Trump. What I do know is if this becomes a political one way street, you haven't seen the end of the problem. All you did was fan the flames.

 

You mean a riot at the capital. Unless you thought they were going to take over the government and start executing politicians.
Is that what you thought?

 

Maybe you should read up on events before making invalid statements. It will help.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/le...aulting-wife-after-argument-at-swingers-party

https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-ra...ormant-to-lie-delete-texts-attorney-says.html

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26402433

So, what else is the FBI hiding . . . .

FBI agents regularly get innocent people to take a plea deal.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...utors-are-coercing-plea-deals-yes-ncna1034201

So, yeah, I suggest reading more than DNC talking points.

 

A link would be nice.

 

The only federal court building I know of that was recently attacked was in Portland, Oregon. Trump sent federal Marshals in and a number of people were arrested and charged with federal crimes. I don't know of the outcome. Not sure what happened at the Supreme Court. I would assume that people there would have also been arrested for crimes. Ditto on the Church fire...although only one room was burned. The attack on the WH...Capitol Police wouldn't have been involved...more like the Secret Service and the D.C. Police. Same thing...although I don't think there was any serious penetration of the WH itself (maybe one person, who sort of wandered in). Trump denies he was taken to "the safe location" because of the protest, but was only on a tour, to explain to him where it was and what it looked like, just in case. While no large organization is perfect, the FBI generally does a good job as the investigatory agency of DoJ. DoJ uses the same bar for indictment as for a jury conviction, "beyond a reasonable doubt." As a result, the get a 90%+ conviction rate by juries...but maybe you don't trust juries either?

 

See post #187.

 

Can you provides examples....actual events?

 

It's in the court filings. Can you look up and read them?

 

They get 90% conviction rates for a reason.
1. They do investigations before arrest. Not like your local law enforcement. Their case is already made.
2. They have a lot of power to force people into plea deals and most don't have 2 million for attorney fees to fight them
3. They can hold you indefinably without bond.
4. The can coerce you into a plea deal and its legal and nowhere is that more true today than our criminal justice system, which features a streamlined process for transforming millions of suspects into convicted criminals quickly, efficiently and without the hassle of a constitutionally prescribed jury trial. It’s called coercive plea bargaining, and it’s the secret sauce that helps us maintain the world’s highest incarceration rate.

Of the roughly 80,000 federal prosecutions initiated in 2018, just two percent went to trial. More than 97 percent of federal criminal convictions are obtained through plea bargains. Why are people so eager to confess their guilt instead of challenging the government to prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to the satisfaction of a unanimous jury?
They’re being coerced.
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This was your statement.
Ever heard of the "attempted kidnapping" of the Michigan governor - yet another case falling apart.

Now those people are in jail

 

With not a single firearm, anywhere but in cops hands...some "insurrection" or "coup"....

 

So... no link. Thanks for playing.

 

Thanks! That I agree with you that the things you stated are legal. I have a very different view on it, but legally Trump has insulated himself pretty well and he probably won't get charged, as he didn't do anything illegal.
But as a leader! Wow, a real leader would have been down there when they went there, only partially because he said he would. If he had wanted a peaceful non-violent protest, he would have done something to help that. He had the crowd hanging on his words WHILE it went on and he didn't say anything about stopping the violence for over 90 minutes, and didn't appear on the news with a message until over 3 hours after it started. LINK Illegal? I'm no legal expert, but that type of behavior and "leadership" is not good for our country. There's been partisanship for as long as we've had a government, but some things should transcend that. I liked Bill Clinton overall, but he made some critical errors, like allowed the president of the united states to be in a position of blackmail or coersion.There's a reason that I don't hold the "legality" thing as the only factor. We haven't had great choices for a while, though. I did not vote for Trump in 2016, but I hoped he would change my mind and do a great job, but he was what i figured. Then I had to vote for Biden. I like him........in 2008! He is not what he was. But he wasn't Trump.