Finally: Court Subpoena For Obamas Original Long Form BC Served To Hawaii Heath Dept

I'm confused. Margot tells me that it doesn't matter about your parents citizenship when born here. They are irrelevant according to her but the 14th or code 8 mentions parents in the code. Which is it. Are parents citizenship relevant or irrelevant when aquiring citizenship at birth? The bingham person you mentioned says something about having to be born to citizen parents with sole allegiance to America to be defined a natural born citizen. Which concept is right? If he is the father of the 14th then it would seem he would know. This is a confusing subject but facinating to discuss.

 

OK, where in there does it say that a person is a citizen just on the basis of being born here?

 

marg, why would "natural" even be in the phrase if any citizen could be president ??

 

When all else fails, go with the words of those that wrote the law. They knew what they were doing better than anybody that tries to define their work.

 

needs to be signed by a judge.

 

you aren't the only one. the supreme court is afraid to take on the case because of this very thing. there are precedents, but none directly related to the president of the united states. go to wnd.com and buy dr. jerome corsi's book. it's a great place to start. he really has done the research. the fourteenth ammendment is a red herring in this case. wong kim ark grants citizenship but not presidental eligibility. read the senate resolution with respect to john mccain's eligibility. the case has not yet been heard, and probably won't be because of it's volitility. unless there is an overwhelming uprising by the american people. the obots and blind followers of the messiah, will tell you that this issue is dead, but as you can see, your wonderful original post seems to suggest otherwise. you are a welcome breath of fresh air to this subject, and to this board. if you can't swing the cost of book (i think it's $4.95), pm me with your address and i will ask dr. corsi to send you a free autographed copy. he would be so delighted that you have taken an interest in this wonderful if not sometimes scary story. wnd also has the whole story from the beginning. i'm at scotte@washingtonamerica.com if i get banned and we get cut off.

 

it's statements like these that results in birthers being ridiculed. You've been shown over and over exactly how and why you're wrong using SCOTUS case law. But, you have to ignore reality, and make up your own definitions to US law in order to keep your idiotic theories going.


it continues to suck to be a birther.

 

14th amendment makes him a citizen.

 

BullsLawDan said it's legal and it can be executed if Hawaii doesn't comply. Is he wrong?

 

Thanks for the offer. I have seen his book in Barnes and Noble on display. I will pick it up next time I am in there.

 

that's right, it even says natural born right in the 14 amendment... which everybody knows was written so obama the forger could be president someday..


don't be drawn to the darkside foggy !!!! ... run !!!

 

you will be glad you did, i'd like to bring it to the big screen in time for the election... it would be on the top of the bill for obam's "how i killed osama bin laden and became the greatest fake president in history" written and directed and starring... wait for it... barack (the war hero) obama, the george washington of our time. now in production at whitehouse warner brothers universal studios.

ok... i can get a little acerbic/cynical about this sometimes, time for a beer, i'll be back, keep asking questions, i think you are AWESOME !.

 

You bring up a point I didn't catch on to till now. The 14th says the word citizen, but not natural born citizen. Why is that? I will go read Margots link again she gave me to make sure.

 

wong said it (the subpoena) "doesn't exist" at all...much like the actual birth certificate, we think. it's complicated..

watch out for him (wong), he's smart and misguided...

 

please cite the exact wording in the 14th amendment that says you can't be born a dual citizen. because there are literally millions of US citizens who are born with dual citizenship.

I know you're going to try and claim that "subject to the jurisdiction of" means sole allegiance or some such nonsense, but I'll simply point you to Plyler V doe(like I've done over a dozen times with you in various birther threads)in which the SCOTUS holds that subject to the jurisdiction of simply means physical presence inside US border.

 

I don't understand. Margot says parents citizenship is totally irrelevant to your citizenship when born. If that's true then how can you be given dual citizenship if the parents citizenship doesn't matter? Help me out somebody.

 

no. and the idea that other countries can determine who can and can't run for POTUS is just idiotic.

 

that's your problem right there. and thankfully, why we have a judiciary system in place to prevent YOU from making up/determining what US law means.

 

he said no such thing. he said(quite correctly)that this subpoena has no legal weight. only a court ordered subpoena can compell hawaii to produce the document. no court has granted it.

 

there are only 2 types of citizenship defined in US law. citizen at birth, and naturalized. obama was not an immigrant that needed naturalized, he was a citizen at birth.

 

Chief Justice Roberts says otherwise.

 

Which of course is completely irrelevant to eligiblity. Love how birthers comingle competance and eligiblity just to confuse the issue.

 

LOL... The way you read it?

And your "reading" is more valid than the courts, the Congress, the Electoral College, and everyone else that knows the correct reading?

No, you're missing it...

It's a "legal" subpoena. It's just not enforceable until a judge signs it. Until then, it's just asking permission, not requiring.

No judge will ever sign it, because the information requested has no relevance to Taitz's suit.

 

Wow...what a lot of Conspiracy nonsense all in one post.

However, the fact remains is that Barack Obama was and is eligible, was legally elected and is our President. You can blame him for the economy- not my issue- but the rest of it is just pure Conspiracy dreck.