From Where Does Mohammed Get His Authority?

They were Muslim, by definition. A Muslim is a person who submit to Allah SWT. All the Prophets did that, so technically they were Muslims.

What did they preach? To worship God. That is the main component of all Abrahimic faiths, worship of the one God. So, the basic message of Islam, worshipping Allah, was what was preached by Moses and Jesus, peace by upon them.

Salam

 

No they were not Muslim , according to our definition everyone who believes in god would be Muslim. Islam didn't come to be until 600 years after Christianity , was never mentioned by an prophet until Mohammed came along and made it up and god sure as hell didn't say anything about Islam or Muslims before Mohammed did.

Islam is nothing but a good attempt at plagiarism. You tell me where the son of god Jesus Christ or any other prophet before Mohammed mentioned islAm, or Muslims.

 

You miss the point..

The claim is that anyone who submits to the will of God is Muslim.. You may not accept it , but its logical..

 

Absolutely preposterous. Muslim = the Koran. Billions of people submit to the will of God and they regard the Koran as a con job in book form.

 

You absolutely don't get it...

Abraham trusted God and submitted to God's will.. So did Noah.. so did Moses.. All who submit to God since the beginning of time are Muslims.

 

That's right I don't get it. How people who lived thousands of years before Mohammed could be Muslims. If I were to get it, I'd be worried. If anybody out there has any clue as to what is going on in this woman's head, let's hear it.

 

lol what a way to claim everyone elses prophets, just automatically make tem muslims if they believe in God lol. well it dont work that way, Islam was not around during the time of Jesus nor before that, it was made up 600 years later.

Jesus,God,Moses, nor I are muslims lol. end of story.

 

there was no such thing as a muslim in those times, muslims only came about 600 years later when Mohammed hijacked a religion and switched it to his liking and gained followers.

plain and simple, Islam is but a sham lol.

 

Well I know what you mean, but your vision is limited... I think that muhammed had learned a bit about Judaism and Nestorian Christianity and rejected the pagan ways present on the Arabian Peninsula.. and "dreamed" of a virtuous return of the people to the God of Abraham.. Remember, ancient Arab legends referred to Adam and Eve and so forth.

In his thinking ALL who submitted to the God of Abraham, the Creator God.. were Muslims... since Adam.

The kicker was they rejected blood sacrifice from the pagan Azazel... Life was too precious in the harsh desert environment.

 

To believe in God and submit to God are two different things.

I can say I believe in God, but live a Haram lifestyle. So I wouldn't be submitting to God, and doing what Allah SWT says is right and not doing what he says is wrong.

Moses, Jesus, Abraham - peace and blessing upon them all - submitted to God. They believed and followed Allah SWT's rules for a righteous life. Which is why they were Muslims.

Islam isn't plagiarism. It's the original story, not corrupted by man. The whole reason Allah SWT choose to send down the Quran to mankind was because the Torah and Bible both became altered and corrupted by greedy people.

But basic Islam, believing in God, dates back to the time of Adam.

I suggest you do some research on the topic. Learn something new. You might enjoy it.

But do not take my word for it:

[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q1pTYQLQAoI"]Islam is the faith of Adam and Noah-pbut -Jewish Rabbi admits Islam is most likely oldest religion - YouTube[/ame]

سلام

 

What a concept, huh? First time I heard it I was stunned. But, it does make sense that all who have submitted since the beginning of time are "Submitters"...

 

First time I heard it (Islam was the religion of Adam, Abraham, etc) I just thought it was cocky Muslim talk. But I did some research (other members should take note of that) and it all began to make sense.

سلام

 

These are the meat of the questions and controversy about why Jesus of Nazareth's betrayal, conviction, and cruel and unusual punishment happened.

Good Lord! Turn off American Television and disband Congress as well as all government structure in the world. They have no authority. Catholic Church too. As soon as Steve Irwin establishes himself as the authority of misunderstood animals, what happened. The misunderstood stingray takes him out!
Surely this thread is a joke.
Now Ghandi he was a lawyer and did pretty well in his chosen profession although he argued his case for quite some time in and out of the powers that were.
Interesting guy there Mahatma was

PS: I can burn water does that make me an authority on cooking or just really bad at it?

 

He won't get it..

 

if Allah created everything.
if he constantly creates, holds and controls everything.
the universe, mankind, souls, comets, animals...

moon splitting, red sea splitting.

where is the problem?

the problem is in the belief.

one shouldn't need a supernatural activity to believe.
because if (s)he doesn't want to believe then it won't
matter if (s)he witnesses a miracle or not.
thus i wouldn't base my belief on "miracles".

the authority that messengers have are from Allah.

above all, the only authority is Allah,
prophets are messengers for mankind,
sent by Allah.

the real miracle is the qur'an.

it's a personal miracle that you may experience.
multiply that with billions.

the deepness, the beauty, the complexity and the coherence...
it beats any miracle i know.

i'd rather be split from the negative deeds and disbelief
than watching the whole universe getting divided in two.

 

I am a believer/knower of the Will of Allah. When you engage in a righteous lifestyle, as ALL Muslims do, it is supposed to come from your internal self or you being core. To do otherwise is being a hearsay believer or a follower and Allah does not want that. He wants sincere believers who are fashioned in righteousness.

I will make it plain and keep it plain. Those of us who are sincere Muslims, know as a matter of fact that we are in the nature of Allah inwhich we are created. To us, Islam is not a religion, it is our nature which cannot be seperated from our central core being, which is of Allah and is Allah.

 

ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

I could not have explained the entirety of Islam and love of righteousness, Allah, the believers, prophets, messengers, reminders, warners, etc. any better.

Thank you for such a strong position on and in defense of Islam. May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon you.

 

In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful
There was such a thing as Muslim being that Ibrahim, whom you know as Abraham, called all who submit to the Will of Allah by that title. Yes, it is a title which is earned, not a name of a religious follower ir group. Read Qur'an, Bible and Taurat (Torah). None of the prophets of Allah called themselves, Jews nor Christians nor any other name other than Muslim (One who submits wholely and fully to the Will of Allah).

PS - I stated in another post that people are born Muslims which is true. I also stated that one must EARNED the tile of Muslim which is also true. There are many who have the nature of Muslims but they follow other ways which causes them to be other than Muslim.
If you are sincere, Allah makes all things known to you over a course of time. Knowing and realizing this, I am ever striving to remain in his guidance and light.

 

Actually there is... At least for the sun.
During sun rise or sun set with the righ cloud formation and humidity level you can see the sun splitted in half due to the reflection on the cloud/humidity layer.

 

Just because some dude made up a definition of what a Muslim is 600 years after Christ and Moses and Abraham, doesn't make them Muslims. There were no Muslims before Mohammed made it up and claimed others prophets as his own and made up a fancy new name for god.

Show me where any of the big 3 spoke of Muslims and islam without using the Quran. Show documentation that proves Jesus a Muslim before Mohammed wrote a book claimed to be from others god.

You can't because Islam is based of others religions and made up of false claims and hijacking others prophets.i don't care what you nor some old dude on a you tube video call a Muslim, the fact is the claims are historically wrong.

 

This is a topic that goes right over your head. You don't know what you we're talking about.

First, yes it does. By definition. If one submits to Allah SWT and the oneness of Allah SWT, which they did, then by definition they were Muslim.

Muhammad didn't claim any Prophets as his. He himself was one.

"Allah" is Arabic for God. It wasn't made up, and was used before Islam. It isn't only used today by Muslims. Arab Christians and Jews also call God Allah.

The Quran doesn't claim to be from other gods, it is from the one God, like past Scriptures. The documentation is in their teachings and lifestyles. They submitted to Allah SWT, and spread his message.

Prove it.


Your knowledge of Islam is very limited, which is why this topic is too complicated for you to understand. I suggest you learn about what you are taking about. You have the entire Internet available, don't let all the information go to waste.

سلام

 

Then I'm starting a new religion, and it will be call Geddon. And a Geddonite will be anyone who loves god and believes in him. So now Jesus, Mohammed , Abraham, John smith, Moses, and Fred phelps are now automatically Geddonites.

Now all I need to do is write a book, say it came from god, make up stories on how Geddon was always around and claim all the major players in the Abrahamic religion as messengers of the true religion Geddon.

See how that works, you are now a follower of Geddon because I claimed it so, just as Mohammed did with Islam.

If Mohammed can do t then so can I. Welcome to Geddon all you lovely people.

 

So Mohammed is not considered hiugher than Jesus because of the fact that he founded the religion? The way Moses is always considered higher than other Jewish prophets because he founded theirs?

 

i don't get it.

- did you like the last novel of albert camus?
- nope.
- how come?
- i don't know, i haven't read it.
- how do you know it's no good then?
- i heard people talk.​

do you get it?

 

i havent read any of L.Ron Hubbards books on scientology, but its still known as bull(*)(*)(*)(*) lol.

calm my little follower,you will now truly see god since you have now come to the true religion and have been dubbed a Geddonite because i made that definition up to hijack all prophets of God/Allah. they were all Geddonites as are you now.

ill start my book now.