George Floyd autopsy report surprise!

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  1. Reasonablerob

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    But the cumulative effect? The mixture, bring him up then down? Also maybe it hadn't kicked in yet,
     
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    Not at all, what would make you think that? You see racism where there is none, you've got to have logic and empathy.
     
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    Meth, and fentanyl kick in instantaneously.... crack and cocaine near instantaneous, = a few seconds.
     
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    The video footage shows it was excessive. This is not disputable.
     
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    Cameras from both angles show Floyd did not resist arrest.
     
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    But how long would the effects last?
     
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    I'm disputing, only the officers can know if he was trying to break free.
     
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    The video shows he was not.
     
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    But freaked out so they couldn't transport him in the car?
     
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    Any of the above drugs would last a significant duration; even outside the "immediate high" Floyd would show signs of impairment.
     
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    There is no evidence he freaked out and could not be transported.
     
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    That's why we can't understand why they get away with it.

    Black.

    What race kills the most white people?
     
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    He did prior to collapsing to the ground.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    "You just think about that, all from a counterfeit bill," Hill said.

    In Minnesota, the highest penalty for knowingly using counterfeit money less than $1,000 is up to 1 year in prison and a fine up to $3,000.

    Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

    "Under Minnesota law, the BCA is unable to discuss evidence or details of an open and active investigation," wrote BCA Public Information Officer Jill Oliveira in an email response to USA TODAY.

    Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison will help prosecute Chauvin. Spokesman John Stiles said officials couldn't comment on investigative data.

    What did the bill look like?
    In the 911 transcript a Cup Foods clerk told the dispatcher: "Um, someone comes our store and give us fake bills and we realize it before he left the store, and we ran back outside, they was sitting on their car."

    A former employee and customer of the shop Angel Stately told the New York Times she saw the bill and the ink was running on it. Stately could not be reached for additional comment.

    Cup Foods owner Mahmoud Abumayyaleh questioned whether Floyd even knew he used a counterfeit, in a statement posted on Facebook Sunday. He told TRT, a Turkish public broadcast service, that normally officers ask a few questions about counterfeits, "put it in a bag and take it."

    "As a check-cashing business, this is a routine practice for us: we report forged money, then the police come and ask patrons about the bill to trace its origin. Upon receiving a counterfeit bill from George Floyd, one of our employees called the police in accordance with this procedure," according to the statement on Facebook.

    Abumayyaleh and the store's spokesman did not respond to messages seeking additional comment.

    Abumayyaleh was not at the store during the incident, according to his statement. The business has been open for more than three decades and Abumayyaleh has expressed grief and outrage over what happened to Floyd: "There is no justification for the use of reckless force displayed by the police that murdered George Floyd."















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    White?

    So i'm assuming we both agree that it's not white vs. black or black vs. white...it's idiots being idiots.
     
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    He wss having a heart attack on the spot.

    That's why EMS was called.
     
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    Is it racism, IDK.
    Do you question that most white folks are murdered by other whites.

    We are all Americans, but in some cases we are not all treated equally and therein lies the problem.
     
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    It seems like you claim it's racism.

    It's odd too because in terms of the percentage of a race, who commits the majority of violent crimes?

    Because I know you don't like Trump, I'll cite Obama's DOJ Uniform Crime Report as well as Trump's.

    Do you think it's white people, Asian, or African American?
     
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    I have seen police use this technique on more than one occasion. I think the problem here was the continuation. Typically, you will see it as a momentary tactic to maintain control, while freeing up a hand(s) for whatever reason (ex. application of cuffs). Where this guy went off the rails is the suspect was restrained and controlled, and he just sat there for minutes with his knee on the neck. Hell, he had his hands in his pockets for a while.

    I don't think he meant to kill him. I don't think 2nd degree murder is the right charge. The code for 3rd degree seems to fit this like a glove.

    Interestingly enough, I was talking to a close friend who is L.E.O., and I told him I couldn't figure out why he died. The knee was not on the trachea, and even if it was on a carotid, a person has two, and people live long and uneventful lives with one of them being blocked. My initial thought was some form of positional asphyxiation. Or some medical condition exacerbated by the exertion of the arrest and the knee in the neck.
     
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    They need to do a better job of risk assessment. These are trained professionals. In that specific video they yelled a command to "go inside", and within 2 second yelled: "LIGHT EM UP". They opened fire with non-lethal rounds, but did not even give the citizens, whom were sitting on their own property, not in the streets, time to react to the command. I understand that the police need to protect themselves. They are people too. But we see in video after video the police abusing their power. The worst one was the 80 YO man who was standing on a sidewalk all by himself then 2 policeman with shield yell at him and another man to move. The older gentleman had a cane and started to walk away, but the officer for some reason didn't like that so he pushed him from behind with his shield and knocked him down.

    Look, I think anyone who loots, or is violent in any way deserves what they get. But those who are peacefully walking or riding and not looting should be left to peaceably gather. Thats actually in the constitution. And their are countless videos of the police doing exactly what the protestors are there to protest.
     
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    I would say Minnesota's 3rd Degree Murder statute fits it perfectly. And now, due to external pressure, they have ramped it up to 2nd degree, which does not make any sense.
     
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