Georgia DA investigating Trump closer to decision on charges

Frankly, I don't think the Fulton DA has the cajones to prosecute.

 

I have no idea. I doubt there is anything to prosecute frankly. Let's put Trump in the rearview mirror. It is past history.

 

I vehemently disagree. He's being investigated by NYC DA, NY AG, Fultan DA, several lawsuits by Wash DC cops, etc.

The man needs to be held accountable for his misdeeds.

 

Looks a lot like the DOJ doesn't either.

 

The thought that all of this investigation is motivated by politics instead of justice has never occurred to you?

 

Has it ever occurred to you that such a man as Trump should be held accountable, such that other similar persons as Trump who might seek the office should be discouraged from ever wanting to become president?


We are not going after Trump in a vacuum, he is a despicable human being who is unfit for office.

Do you not see this? Do I have to shove 20 books in front of you on the subject that document, in great detail, his misdeeds?

 

And he had legal advisers who said different.

He had legal advisers advising him different and that, rightly or wrongly, is what he believed.

Not even close to being there.

You like to throw around the word "conspiracy" automatically means some crime has been committed which is patently absurd. And he didn't ask the governor to find him votes he asked him to investigate what he believes were fraudulent votes. Stop claiming otherwise.

What direction towards what crime. There was nothing illegal in that phone call.

You don't seem to be waiting at all but have made up your mind.

We ALL start with the benefit of doubt in this country.

 

Of course. It is voters that cause the disastrous choices in leadership. I wish we had good leaders but the political system keeps the good ones from getting involved in it. All we get are the power hungry - the last people to whom we should confer power.

Ok but for me his lack of fitness for office is not his decision making, it is his personality. I'll take effective decision making over personality every time.

Not necessary. I wouldn't read even one book about Trump. I have no interest in him and don't even like him. But I like what he did for the country.

 

This all started the first time Trump announced he was running and I'm still told by the likes of you to "just wait, we got him now, this is really really it this time, we're not kidding" and you can't even state a crime.

 

So you failed to answer my question. Does it matter if an indictment comes down from the Georgia DA? Will that change your perception of the criminal shithead, twice impeached, one term loser you obviously support?

To answer you question, yes, I am quite aware how this looks. The entire world knows how Trump and his supporters think of him as a messiah that never does wrong. This is why we all laugh and voted his awful ass out of the WH. This is also why the entire planet cheered when he got his ass kicked.

 

Voters alone should decide who is fit for office, not partisan hacks trying to protect their turf.

 

So, what should be done about Pelosi's violation of CA law by going to a spa that was supposed to be closed by state law, and strolling around without a mask without a mask, which was violation of the law numero dos. Or is it different when the law violator carries a (D) after their name?

 

yeah, Powell, Clark, Giuliani, et al, all incompetent boobs.

You'd hope our president could tell the difference between competent advice and not, And why are these guys
even in his entourage? No other president would be listening to someone like Powell or Clark.

Giuliani, the old Giuliani, but not the new Giuliani.

Heck, I'll bet you can't even tell the difference, right?

I disagree.

No, if you listen to precisely what he said, he used the word 'find votes'.

that's subject to interpretation, including the literal.

Moreover, 5000 dead voters is the fraudulent votes you are speaking of, which is a complete lie, of which he was advised by incompetent attorneys, noting that the most powerful man in the world should be able to distinguish between competent advice and bogus advice, as in, he should have, at the very minimum, asked for proof, something like, '5000 dead votes, can you prove this to me'? Did he ask them that? No, he didn't, but a competent president would have long before he'd levy such a charge.

Hmmm, lets' seen now......



If you listen to the telephone call, at face value, the above charge is not outside of the realm of possibility.

I'll go with whatever DA Fulton decides.

Somehow, a guy who is willing to fornicate with a pornstar just after his newly wed wife gave birth, then pays her $130k hush money and throws his long time lawyer under the bus, not to mention an assortment of other egregious misdeeds and has been flouting the law most of his life, doesn't strike me as someone I really could give a **** about, one way or the other.

 

Well, we could install methods to help prevent demagogues like Trump, and holding Trump accountable would discourage Trump wannabes in the future.

There's a lot more to it, than merely 'his personality'. It issue goes far deeper than this.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

https://www.lawfareblog.com/repairing-rule-law-agenda-post-trump-reform

As the U.S. begins to see the light at the end of the Trumpian tunnel, it is time to begin thinking about the issue of repair. One should not assume the result of the election, but it is nonetheless worth asking the question: What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

Of Trump’s many excesses, his assault on legal norms has to rank high in terms of damage to fundamental values that form the fabric of America. His attacks on the free press, the independent judiciary and the independence of the Department of Justice have all created significant damage. His abuse of executive discretionary authority has made a mockery of the concept of checks and balances. His gaming of the judicial system has revealed weaknesses in our legal process. His attempts to place himself (and his family and his business interests) above the law have called into question foundational national conceptions of equal justice. In short, President Trump has led a wrecking crew (aided and abetted by William Barr and Mitch McConnell) that has severely damaged American legal norms of behavior.

Trump’s attacks on foundational norms and principles leave policymakers with two choices. Lawmakers and voters can accept that damage and admit the inevitability of American decline, or they can fight to restore and strengthen the country’s legal guardrails. This post is an effort to begin that fight—to identify practical steps that the country can take to reinvigorate the rule of law and the concept of checks and balances.

See what I mean?

Trump has damaged America more than any president in history. Evidence of that fact is that 65 million people believe that Biden stole the election. The one person responsible for that lie is Donald Trump .

America's core value is democracy, and when you undermine confidence in democracy, the nation has one foot in the grave.

Sad that you cannot see that.

 

The Democrats and the media spent the full four years of Trump’s administration undermining confidence in our democracy. Now they are having to live by their own rules. Payback’s a biatch.

 

Would voters, alone, decide who is going to operate on your brain?

Hell no. I should think the job of the most powerful man on earth should have a modicum of standards beyond what can be pandered to by the masses.

 

If only he'd slink away from public. But, we are not so lucky.

 

Yeah, I can’t hardly wait for your idea of who decides what your modicum of standards should be. How about this, the 65 million Trump supporters decide for everyone what the standards are? Fair enough?

 

Don’t be so pessimistic. I don’t think there’s any way he’ll stay in politics much longer. He won’t slink away but people will lose interest in him.

One thing I’m sure of, though, is that the anger against our corrupt government he rode to power will not disappear, it will grow stronger.

 

What do you care? Trump said, before the first ballot was cast, that the only way Democrats would win is if they rig the election',

No president in history has made such an accusation, but of course, you do not understand the gravity of it.

As for you allegation against democrats, you'll need to provide evidence.

 

Oh, I understand the lack of gravity of it. I understand you love to exaggerate these things.

As for my allegations concerning the Democratic Party, I’ve lived it, I’ve seen the facts. You , on the other hand, may have to actually pick up a history book.

 

You seem very worked up on behalf of a …’man’…that you claim cannot possibly be guilty of anything….??

 

And how long did justice have to wait before Al Capone was finally brought to book? Richard Nixon? Jeffrey Epstein? Ghislaine Maxwell? Sometimes it takes a while for the powerful to receive their comeuppance…..

 

I haven't seen him. Perhaps the problem is your media that is obsessed with him. Stop watching your media and he will go away. But you don't really want him to go away, right?

 

Sorry, I just don't share your obsession. Trump is in my rear view mirror. I should say that America's core value is not democracy. It is freedom. We still vote but freedoms are declining.