GOP to uninsure 24 million

The CBO has said that people would lose their insurance due to the repeal of the individual mandate: True.

The CBO has also said that people who lost their insurance would opt out for not having any insurance. This is also true.

Most of the people who will not have insurance after the new legislation will choose not to have insurance because the only reason they got insurance was due to the individual mandate. Others will decide not to have insurance due to the increasing insurance premiums, which the ACA has failed to keep under control.

The only people who will be uninsured are the people who will choose not to have insurance. The rest of us will be okay.

 

Your snide comments really don't forget much of a scenario except you know yard school elementary school

 

English bro.

 

That's not a valid answer.

It dodges the fact that we need people doing all sorts of jobs which provide no coverage and no income which could make coverage a possibility.

It dodges the facts of our current jobs market where good jobs usually require higher education - which is also too expensive for high school kids, and thus providing a constant supply of those who can't afford coverage.

It dodges the fact that there are those who are disabled or retired.

It dodges the fact that our system is dedicated to the proposition that health care be provided and covered by corporations who are in it for maximizing their profit and are free to serve only those who meet that profit objective - thus resulting in the most expensive health care in the world, while not causing increases in key features such as longevity, infant mortality, etc.

The fundamental concept that our free market capitalism is aligned with the needs of our citizens in the health care segment is just plain ridiculous.

Nobody in their right mind can possibly believe that.

 

Only a very small portion of people will voluntarily give up healthcare insurance. Nowhere neer the TWENTY FOUR MILLION this would cause to lose insurance

 

And we SAW that with the system we had before the ACA was passed

 

Let's focus on these others. These are the people who want insurance, but cannot afford it. Therefore their only option will be the former system's "Subsidized Emergency Room Care". You can blame it on the ACA, but that's counterproductive, as it does nothing to help these people. There have been numerous documented stories about the health struggles that some of these people are going through. And yes, they were subsidized under the old system and under the ACA. Trump's campaign promise was that these people would still be covered.

 

Yes, but it also forced many ER and Trauma Centers to close their doors.

We all pay in the end for not covering everybody. This is the simple truth the Republicans do not want to address.

 

How does that contradict ANYTHING I said??????????????????????? . . . . We'll see about that affordability. . . . No, we probably won't.

 

They not only don't want to address it. They are trying to lead everybody to believe that it's a non-issue.

 

You've read to much into a simple concept "Do better", surely your not defeated by the simple suggestion to "Do better" are you? I have difficulty imagining the we need people to take "jobs which provide no coverage and no income" clearly that type must "Do better"!

Why would teenagers be interested in medical coverage? And how is the current system of mandated coverage helping those young people afford the education that will help them "Do Better" in preparation for the job market and those jobs that will pay higher wages and health/retirement packages.

Disabled has always been addressed and supplemented by the tax payers. The retired are also compensated by their lifetime of labor contribution and those that are contributing presently and or sound investments.


The paragraph in italic is to all over the place for me, Maximize profits, ok. Free to serve ONLY those that meet profit objectives, sound a little discriminatory to me, I would suggest look for better people to work for, I Guess? "thus resulting in the most expensive health care in the world, while not causing increases in key features such as longevity, infant mortality, etc." I can't say I have ever experienced corporate coverage that could qualify as "Most expensive in the world", actually contrary! Corporate "Group" insurance is quite and historically inexpensive up until the introduction of OBarrycares. Now ACA has set in motion that corporations now have greater leverage to cheat the employee's from coverage by simply reducing their hours (32) hours a week in 2017. From where it used to be (24) hours a week to qualify for health benefits!

"The fundamental concept that our free market capitalism is aligned with the needs of our citizens in the health care segment is just plain ridiculous"
Clearly the fundamental concept that Government supplied health care is hardly aligned with the needs of the citizen or the American workers! So what is the logical thing to strive for, more dependency or insistence on opportunity, economics and a chance to earn and 'Do better" for yourself?

 

This makes perfect sense, unfortunately the con men peddling this new plan are led by the one quoted as saying "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated".

 

This town hall on CNN with Rice was a joke. He kept blowing smoke at the questions being asked of him. I'm glad Dana Bash and Wolf kept on him.

All of them are trying to shove this Edsel down our throats. They're regurgitating the same talking point over and over again, using buzz words from the election. What they don't seem to realize is that the rest of the country is not as stupid as their base.

 

The more dishonesty I hear from people like you, the more I think POTUS should just let so called Obamacare totally implode. Give it a year a year and half.

And then just expose Democrats to American people. It was all your doing. Take the responsibility for the total failure of Obama care. It’s your brainchild. Explain yourselves to American people.

Republican idiots should do nothing at all. Let it implode.

 

Everyone uses health insurance. Being insured is a benefit even in of itself even if you don't end up filing a claim.

 

When someone says all of the things Trump said he was going to do with health care and then says no one knew Healthcare would be so complicated you know you have somebody that never actually looked at it and was just shooting his dumb ass falls off

 

Can someone tell me how the nation came about this current system by which employers are the primary source of health care? It isn't that way for your life insurance--you can buy term insurance for a few dollars a month. It isn't that way with home owners insurance, car insurance, or travel insurance. But for some reason, General Electric (just to name a company) is expected to offer healthcare insurance to their employees.

 

Industrialists during the 20s and 30s realized they were losing time and money when employees didn't show up to work because of illness. They figured it would be cheaper to prepay medical services for them. Henry Kaiser teamed up with Dr. Sydney Garfield and created what eventually became Kaiser Permanente.

 

Yeah and there used to be cafeterias at work the boss footed the bill for, pension plans, etc… I appreciate your answer but why has health insurance survived when other perks have gone the way of the past? Is it all because of absenteeism, nobody want to be “the first to blink” and not offer it…what?

 

Those being paid minimum wage, in fact, those being paid the lower end of minimum wage, will not be able to afford health care as per TrumpCare.

So, arguing that the millions of people doing those jobs need to "do better" is a cheap and stupid insult and nothing more.

Yes, we're not supporting higher education to the degree that we need to.

TrumpCare is cutting support for Medicare and Medicaid. So, those depending on those services will be out of luck, with no place to go.

The US pays more per capita in health care than other countries. That's the issue concerning "most expensive". Also, we know that indigent care is through our ER's, and that is the most expensive care we have.

Other countries have figured out how to avoid the problems of for-profit health care coverage (while covering ALL their citizens) and America has not. All TrumpCare does is eliminate millions of US citizens from health care coverage.

 

I'm going to concede not because I agree that people can do better but because convincing a liberal they can do better is like teaching a brick to swim

 

During World War Two corporations were limited in the amounts in wages they could compensate workers. So the federal government gave businesses a tax incentive to offer employer paid health care plans instead. That tax incentive remains to this day.

 

I would argue that we are not supporting higher education to the levels we need to. I would also argue that we are not rewarding those who are so educated as well.

 

Really? There is a tax incentive to provide healthcare?

 

I recall Obama challenging the Republican-controlled congress to come up with alternatives. They never did anything. Their only purpose in life, at the time, was to spend the American taxpayer dollar, to fight Obama.

And now that they have to do something about it, they don't know how.