GOP vaccine resistance confronting Biden has deep roots

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    From credible sources. Would you like the links?
     
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    Don't need "Links" .. one would suffice .. and be much appreciated.
     
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  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    At least we aren't dying of COVID
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    And to die quietly and stop taking up medical resources that are desperately needed by others

    If you can survive without medical assistance, good for you. If you can't you basically refused it when it was first offered and so expired of your own volition. Your choice.

    And I'm so happy to see you now believe in a woman's right to choose.
     
  5. RedWolf

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    People everywhere are using up medical resources because of the choices they've made. Do you advocate for them going without as well? Furthermore, I'm not obligated to take something that we still don't know everything about. I absolutely refuse to take part in that.

    And yes, I do believe in a woman's right to choose.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Good for you believing in consistency, Now we have to work on common sense.
     
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  7. RedWolf

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    Common sense says not to try a vaccine that was rushed. Especially when we don't know the long term effects.
     
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    Until the government recognizes natural immunity in those that contracted CV-19, this is all a bunch of political crap not based on Science.

    The government and those pushing the vaccine mandates are literally Authoritarian Science Deniers.
     
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    100% - You are intellectually consistent... Leftists are not.
     
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  10. Collateral Damage

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    The application of common sense in regards to COVID and the erstwhile inject, don't lean in your favor.

    If an injection might reduce your symptoms
    If an injection may cause an adverse reaction
    If an injection has not been round long enough to provide long-term complication or harm data
    if an injection does not protect you from catching it
    if an injection does not stop you from carrying it
    If an injection does not stop you from transmitting it

    The promotion of the injection is solely based on you, maybe, protecting yourself. 1 pro, 5 con.

    Your choice. You have no right to make that choice for other people.
     
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  11. Ddyad

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    Those 40 billionaires are just the pus filled white head bursting from the top of this epic boil of corruption.

    The Wuhan/NAID C19 virus had actually spawned "493 new billionaires" before April of this year.

    “Shortly after the World Health Organization declared Covid-19 a global pandemic on March 11, 2020, markets collapsed and economies around the world plunged into recession.”

    “One year later, things couldn’t be more different: a record 493 new billionaires joined the list this year, propelled by a red-hot stock market and unprecedented economic stimulus. Among those newcomers are at least 40 new entrants who draw their fortunes from companies involved in fighting Covid-19. Some, such as Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel and BioNTech cofounder Uğur Şahin, have become household names thanks to the vaccines they helped develop. Others got rich making everything from personal protective equipment and diagnostic tests to antibody treatments and software that helps authorities schedule vaccination campaigns, which will be essential in reopening economies and returning to normal life.”
    FORBES, Meet The 40 New Billionaires Who Got Rich Fighting Covid-19, By Giacomo Tognini, Forbes Staff, BILLIONAIRES 2021, Apr 6, 2021. (emphasis mine)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacom...o-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/?sh=2192c24d17e5
     
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    They are still hiding the data.
     
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    The government agencies and corporations that are pushing the vaccines will not reveal their data. Science?
     
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    Couldn't have said it any more eloquently myself ;)
     
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    I hear ya, them leftist are a tough nut to crack that's for sure! Impossible to be honest!
     
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    I do think that's a fair point, but the testing is supervised by the FDA, which I mentioned as one of the players who'd have to be "in" on a scam. Don't LOL. I think the men and women at the FDA are smart, work hard, and have integrity. They aren't taking bribes from Pfizer and they don't rubber stamp everything. There are some criticisms that they are not rejecting enough drugs, but I'm reasonably confident that Pfizer does legitimate in-house research before they submit their products and trial results to the FDA:

    It is the responsibility of the company seeking approval to market a drug to conduct laboratory and animal tests on the safety and effectiveness of a proposed new drug and then to submit that information to FDA for review by CDER physicians, statisticians, chemists, pharmacologists, and other scientists.

    You see again there how many people would have to be asleep at the switch or on the take for a scam to work. How may people do you know who have had an adverse reaction to the vaccines? How does the number compare to the whole of vaccines?



    https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/fo...se-covid-19/how-does-the-fda-approve-vaccines
     
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    Im not claiming that there is a conspiracy. That’s why I mentioned the issues that we are facing that make things look way out of line with the reality we all grew up in. It seems to me we are the victim of our own collective behavior.
    As for how many people I know with adverse reaction? I know 3. How many people do I know who had long covid? 1, and I know a whole lot of people who had it (including myself) in a very light form and quickly recovered. Also, I don’t know anyone personally who died of covid or the vaccine.
     
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    So did Gore. You just didn't mind Gore doing it.
     
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    It was the approval that was rushed. The development and clinical trials were not rushed. Common sense says three cheers for speeding up government activity.
     
  20. RedWolf

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    The approval was rushed due to political pressure, not because it was truly effective. Otherwise the FDA would have done so long before now. Furthermore none of them had ample time to truly test and study against this strain of Corona to truly call it a vaccine.
     
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    Incorrect. The vaccines are truly effective. It is impossible to create vaccines against unknown strains of a virus. You need to do some reading on the subject.
     
  22. RedWolf

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    Their's no way to know how effective they are because they were rushed. It takes years to properly create and study a vaccine. This had a year at most.

    And I never said you could create vaccines against unknown strands. That's a position you're trying to put on me that I never made.
     
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    So you would have preferred to wait years for the vaccine against a virus reportedly killing thousands of people daily? Think that through.
     
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    Yes I would because you don't rush medical advancements. We don't know the long term effects either because of how hurried it is. Can you truly and honestly blame people for being concerned over such a vaccine?
     
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    Not at all but I can certainly criticize wanting to put off a vaccine that has passed clinical trials for years just to be sure.
     

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